Birmingham Cops Fired

Danzo · #1 05-20-2009, 02:32 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...50639#30850639

They kept this one secret for over a year but was ironically released to the news today. 5 police have been fired.

I think we can ALL agree the perp was wrong and dangerous for trying to out run the police. No hug-a-thugging please.

Car flips and suspect is ejected and is rendered unconscious.

Man those 'distraction blows' really worked on this guy. Interesting video ... kept under wraps all this time.

SongwriterFan · #2 05-20-2009, 02:40 PM

You criminal-lover, you.

Taylor_guy414 · #3 05-20-2009, 02:43 PM

those are not distraction blows...that is going way too far. I understand that it was obviously a lethal force situation (since the P.I.T. is a lethal force move) but it appears that first officer used his pistol as a striking weapon, which is not it's purpose and it is not how we are trained. Those officers were fired as they should have been, they are also lucky they are not locked up. I will say that this went too far. I have been where those officers have been and it did not cross my mind to go that far. Drawing your gun while approaching the guy or putting your gun/TASER in the guys back while cuffing just incase would the be proper way to handle it.

upon second look I think he used his PR 24 to strike to the head, we are not trained to strike the head with the batons either unless it is a last resort situation. Still too much force used.

SongwriterFan · #4 05-20-2009, 02:43 PM

Maybe they just wanted to remind him to wear his seatbelt.

vti814ce · #5 05-20-2009, 02:47 PM

I dont see what all the fuss is about. Textbook, if you ask me.

Sammy

SongwriterFan · #6 05-20-2009, 02:48 PM

They should've waterboarded him, just to be sure?

SongwriterFan · #7 05-20-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Taylor_guy414

upon second look I think he used his PR 24 to strike to the head, we are not trained to strike the head with the batons either unless it is a last resort situation.

Before video, you KNOW they would've just claimed that all his injuries came from being thrown from the vehicle.

Taylor_guy414 · #8 05-20-2009, 02:51 PM

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Before video, you KNOW they would've just claimed that all his injuries came from being thrown from the vehicle.

I do not know that, and neither do you. You would be better off saying you think. you are assuming again that all cops are the same.

Just for the record, the reason it could have taken this long to come up could be because I.A. might have been investigating the case. With that they have to interview each officer, possibly mulitple times. look at Histories of the officers, look at every complaint ever filed against the officer and go back to those to see if anything was missed. they also have to get in touch with any witnesses of the incident to conduct interviews and so forth. depending on the size of the departments, the detectives could have a large case load of other crimes that they also have to close so it takes a while if done correctly

SongwriterFan · #9 05-20-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Taylor_guy414

I do not know that, and neither do you. You would be better off saying you think. you are assuming again that all cops are the same.

Oh, I know it.

Do you really think that without the video, those cops would've confessed to what they did?

And I thought I was clearly referring to THOSE cops, not all cops.

Taylor_guy414 · #10 05-20-2009, 03:02 PM

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Oh, I know it.

Do you really think that without the video, those cops would've confessed to what they did?

And I thought I was clearly referring to THOSE cops, not all cops.

yes but assuming that they would do that you are stereotyping the officers. I mean unless you personally know them and know that is how they are. If you do know them personally then I stand corrected but if you do not then do not assume that just because they went too far does not mean that they would cover it up. So you do NOT know it for a fact

SongwriterFan · #11 05-20-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taylor_guy414

yes but assuming that they would do that you are stereotyping the officers.

I'm stereotyping the kind of officers who would do this in the first place, yes.

That's not the same thing as stereotyping all officers.

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but if you do not then do not assume that just because they went too far does not mean that they would cover it up.

OK, let's get away from "know", then.

I say that the odds of them "fessing up (honestly)" had their been no video is less than 1%.

What do you say the odds are?

Taylor_guy414 · #12 05-20-2009, 03:17 PM

I would not even begin to guess, I do not know who they are all I know of them are from a 1 minute video. I don't know about you but I am not going to judge everyone I meet in life based on a 1 minute visual with emotions in high gear. So I could not even begin to guess. You are allowed your opinion, but just realise that just because YOU believe it does not make it a fact. I think I have said all I need to say on this topic and this thread. I have stated my opinion on what took place. Have a good one! I am off to the Taylor Road show!!

SongwriterFan · #13 05-20-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taylor_guy414

I would not even begin to guess

So you're saying that you don't have enough information to do any better than place 50/50 odds on it?

kev2225 · #14 05-20-2009, 04:57 PM

And you wonder how often this happens like this one where it's kept hush hush, and they hope it just goes way. My guess wayy too often. It's a wonder someone didn't defend those cops yet by saying 'we don't know all the facts'...even though it's right there on video, just like the guys head being used as a soccer ball in the other case.

whamonkey · #15 05-20-2009, 06:45 PM

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And you wonder how often this happens like this one where it's kept hush hush, and they hope it just goes way. My guess wayy too often. It's a wonder someone didn't defend those cops yet by saying 'we don't know all the facts'...even though it's right there on video, just like the guys head being used as a soccer ball in the other case.

Based on what scientific data? The internet? Hehehehehehe

Just wondering when someone might want to start posting videos of criminals committing crimes....just to be fair and balanced. Oh that's right...we just want to vilify cops.