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I also used a Shure SM81 Small Condenser Mic. It seems to be a good and generally-accepted, all-around instrument mic and James used one in training the ToneDexter.
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Excellent, I have a 57 and a couple other condenser mics that I will try before going high end. I believe my local music store rents out condenser mics for less than $20 for a weekend so I at least won't have to break the bank if I go that route.
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I'll chime in and add to the happy chorus.
I'm extremely picky and demanding of my tone. I prefer a multiple mike setup for recording but have found mikes are too impractical for live performance. I used to use a dual (UST and internal mic) source system, which was quite good, but still difficult to properly set up and balance. When I went to the K+K pure mini I felt like I had 85% of the quality of my dual source for 10% of the hassle. A worthwhile tradeoff indeed, yet one always hopes for more... Now with ToneDexter, I completely surpass the dual source quality level while enjoying the plug and play aspect of setup. My best results so far have been with small diaphragm condensors (Line Audio CM3 particularly) while the large ones have been good but not great. The one exception so far is the ISK Starlight - sounds so good that I now need to try it for serious recording as well. Does it sound exactly like a microphone? Super close, but for my ears, not there yet. However, it is closer than anything else I know of, and I doubt anyone who is not trained to hear the differences would notice. If I was producing a live recording of my own music, I would use this for sure. If I was going into a studio, I would still opt for a miked setup. I expect this technology to progress, so my answer today may change over time.
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This might have been addressed already but I still have a B-Band A2.2 (SBT and UST) system that I might put into one of my guitars. My Tonedexter is on its way and I am wondering if anyone knows how the Tonedexter will work with dual source system? Let's say I find a good blend on the pickup and use the Tonedexter.. I assume the results would be fine. However, if I play with the blend later, will that impact the tone or will the wavemap not change much?
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In general, if you train from one blend spec (position), you'll get the mic's tonal balance by playing back from that same blend spec. However, there absolutely no harm in varying the blend on playback. You'll still get all the resonance richness that the WaveMap has, but it will alter the tonal balance. Might be good, might not. Worth trying for sure.
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Petty you should call Gary Hull you might have a defective unit. There is a voltage converter in the preamp that could produce hiss I guess. I have not such problems.
PS: I also train my IRs with the tone full open. However, I like to keep at least a volume wheel in the guitar. Also I like the idea to be able to dial a decent sound without outboard gear if necessary, so I stick to my amulet M-VT Cuki
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This thread caused me to drool on my keyboard. I think I need help.
Question for TD users. I like to hit the body of my guitar for percussion effects. A regular UST doesn't transfer that sound to the speaker well at all. My Dazzos do that very well. Not just like a mic but close. How does that transfer through the TD? Does it come through?
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I was going to start my own TD thread for some questions but I'll add mine to Vancebo's since this thread is still relatively young:
1. How does the TD perform in live settings? I read through many of the very long threads on the TD and I seem to remember some having issues with using it live. I also remember someone asking for videos of a TD being used in live settings but receiving no answers or links. 2. Where would a TD lie in a pedal board setup with say, a looper, a volume pedal and a couple of effects? 3. Last, and biggest question for me: I play fingerstyle with no nails so my tone is largely soft and muted. Would I train the TD this way as well? What would happen if I trained the TD using a pick? Would that then give the fingerstyle played guitar more of a pick sound? Can you blend multiple maps (forget what they are called)? In other words, could I record a training session with both fingerstyle and pick style and blend the two? We are just starting to play out a bit and at higher volumes my tone can be a challenge to make sound really nice. I'm thinking the TD might be something that could help with that especially if I can blend some pick tone in with my fingerstyle but I also what to make sure that the TD is finding itself to be useful in live settings by the average user. Thanks in advance for any advice or opinions.
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Training ToneDexter
I think you will find that your playing style during training has minimal influence on the resulting WaveMap. The training algorithm focuses on the difference between pickup sound and mic sound, and seeks to minimize that difference. I have trained TD probably 10,000+ times during development, and have not seen major effects based on picking style. Playing the full range of instrument is beneficial. Mic placement, especially with respect to the sound hole, has a significant effect. Also, during the first segment of training where certain gains are established, what you plays matters more. In particular it is good to avoid dwelling on notes that correspond to the fundamental body resonances of the guitar, which are usually around G# on the bass E string, and around F on the D string. I usually just strum the upper 4 strings at the 5th fret during level setting phase for best results.
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