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I would love to hear what are the differences between your KM84's and the Schoeps MK4's in sound and use.I just recently bought a pair of Schoeps 621's and are loving them. Have never used the KM84's. These are such highly prized mics would love to know the exact differences between them and your Schoeps. |
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to be true the difference between KM84 and Schoeps MK4 is - to my ears - so subtle that I could hardly recognize it in an A/B comparison. I love both but would say the KM 84 has some magic to it I can not describe. From the technical side my 70s KM84s have little more self noise and lower level than the Schoeps MK4. That's why I avoid the KM84s and always use the Schoeps when it comes to low signal level applications. Beside self noise I make no difference in when to use which. It would be fun project to produce some comparison vid - guess I'll can do it and upload it here at AGF. Maybe it will tell me more about the difference. Here is a comparison I did some time ago with five SDCs and one ribbon on mandolin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUL...naFrg&index=38 For guitar I will choose stereo A/B - yes, I will work on it - stay tuned.
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I haven't noticed much talk about Sennheiser mics on this forum, but I just picked up a used pair of MKH 40. They are an RF design and the MKH 40 has been around since 1985. They are cardioids, very flat extended frequency response, good off axis response, high sensitivity, and very low noise. My application is for stereo recording of solo fingerstyle guitar, in a home setting. I just started experimenting with them; they seem as I expected/hoped. They are neutral sounding, realistic to the source, with very good detail (maybe not as detailed and realistic as my Gefell M296Ss but not really sure yet). They are priced between KM184/Gefell M300 and Gefell M29x/Schoeps, at $1200 each new.
The pair of MKH40s that I bought were not originally sold as a matched pair. They came with actual frequency response measurements (smoothed / filtered compared to the not-smoothed frequency response measurements that come with Gefell mics) and though they were built about 4-5 months apart (in 2019), and originally bought at different times, the frequency response curves are almost identical, and their sensitivity at 1KHz is within 0.5dB of each other.
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Well if anyone knows the modern Neumann line it's you Ty. I think both you and I love the U89
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After he sold his entire studio building & contents to Alicia Keys, he set up a new studio, and after being very disappointed with the newer KM-184's, he instead bought a pair of Warm Audio WA-84 mics. Fred recently recorded a couple of tracks with them that'll be featured on my upcoming release, The Rhytalin Kid, and they performed admirably. Happy hunting, Howard Emerson
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Still loving my (almost) consecutive serial number matched pair of KM84s from 1977, on everything! Here they are recording my acoustic:
https://xetb.bandcamp.com/album/a-leaf-must-fall It's pay what you like, so you can download the hi res 24/96 .wav or .flac file for free if you like. They work surprisingly well on vocals too: Preamp on both is a Chandler TG2. Don't discount Omni mics/capsules for acoustic too though. I was recently talking with mix engineer Stephen Barncard about David Crosby's first solo album, 'If I Could Only Remember My Name', (one of my fave albums), as I simply ADORE the acoustic guitar tones on that, and he told me he used AKG C-60s (a tube based SDC rival to the KM84), but with the Omni capsules, as it meant he could get in really close (less gain needed), with no proximity effect, and with less bleed, than the Cardioid capsules. Neumann still make and stock the KK83 Omni capsules for the KM84 body, so I am gonna place an order for one soon.
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Chiming in here, because I remember reading this thread last month when I was thinking about a KM184. After much consideration, the most recent mic I bought is a used KM184 for about $520 with shipping, so I thought I'd report in on my findings. I'm favoring it over my other SDCs for the finger style stuff I do. What I like about it:
-Unique to this mic (within my little collection) is the way it handles the attack of a string plucked with my fingernail. I really like it. It's not too soft/poofy and not too hard/glassy/or piercing.... just sits perfectly. It's not something I was able to pick up on in any of the on-line comparisons. But comparing it first hand with my other mics, this little pleasantry is a unique quality of this mic. If this mic has any magic, for me, this is where it is. Didn't even know I was missing it until I found it. -It's a bit less phasey when moving it around than other SDCs and certainly LDCs. Very easy to get a great sound with it, whereas some other mics have a smaller placement window where they will sound good... and sometimes you can hear the sound bouncing around under the mic grill. -Perhaps a tad more body or larger sounding than my other SDCs. Not quite into LDC territory, but not small sounding either. -A pretty good value all things considered for the price... especially used. No, it's not a Schoeps or DPA, but it doesn't cost as much either. I would list what I don't like about it as well, but I can't really think of anything. I guess it could have some switches or stuff, but switches or no, I'm liking it better than my other SDCs with switches. So for the SDCs, and for what I do I have it like this: KM184 > SM81 > AKG460 and NT4 I still like my LDCs (KSM44, and C414XLS) and I still like a 57 now and then on the bridge/body. Right now I'm favoring the KM184 on the neck and the C414XLS on the body, but that may change some depending on what guitar I'm working with and what I'm trying to do.
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thanks for the review. Next, try a Schoeps CMC641.
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That's also a solid mid/side recipe. Last edited by min7b5; 11-22-2020 at 11:41 PM. |
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