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build with this wood? | 34 | 35.05% | |
NOT build with this wood? | 13 | 13.40% | |
own a guitar made with this wood? | 42 | 43.30% | |
be unwilling to own a guitar made with this wood? | 22 | 22.68% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 97. You may not vote on this poll |
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As for EIR being a tonal substitute for BRW, leave my own opinion aside and you'll find plenty of your peers who think it is a valid substitute. Quote:
Players have ears to listen and a brain to analyze. And smart people know better than to accept what is imposed upon them. Quote:
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BTW, dear AGFers, never believe a word that I say as I just play the guitar.
However I just found a little gem from one of the most respected builders on the AGF -- the great Laurent Brondel. Here's what Laurent has to say: Quote:
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"You have much wisdom, young Skywaker. But if you were to die, all the knowledge you seek about the true nature of "The Tree" will be lost. Learn the power of the Dark Side. Focus your power on "The Tree"."
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I am of the opinion that you put great wood in the hands of a great builder, you most likely get a great guitar. Put great wood in to a factory model, you may not get the same sonic value. I've known several luthiers that became believers after they build with The Tree. I believe a lot of the sets from "The Tree" are great wood. Is it the best, doubt it, but I couldn't tell you what is the best either. If you don't like the figure than the wood is of little value to you. I get that. I know that I think the tone matches the asthestic so I know of at least three people who agree now. All of our ears and eyes see and hear different things, or at least our brains interpret differently. In the end, it's just a piece of wood.
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No Comment.
Last edited by Haans; 12-08-2013 at 08:03 AM. |
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Wow...is it time for the feats of strength yet.
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This thread is definitely generating more heat than light now. Moderators?
Personal animosity is out of place here. |
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Martin's upcharge for BRZ doesn't jive with the individual luthier's price quote IMHO. It is totally incongruous that a D45A costs 50k MSLP and one can buy a '59 D28E off ebay for 5K and have the martin repair shop turn it into a D45. I don't know what they would charge but it would probably be less than 10k. I guess people buying a D45A are also buying collectibility. The luthier builds I have in progress have both at one time or another crossed the discussion of BRZ, and I ended up going with Madagascar on the 00028 because I liked the look of the sets better, I've played a Madi 00028 before and loved it, and It's coming from Sweden so no CITES issues. I also discussed BRZ with Wingert and ended up going with AB. Anyhoo, back on topic....I believe the market price for Tree sets has room for all kinds of different variations and only time will tell. |
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I Hesitate to post this but...
I am relatively new here, but I wanted to add a couple thoughts:
The poll is interesting in that by a 2:1 ratio, both luthiers and players would use the set that Bruce presented. This result frankly surprised me (but many things do). A great example of the power of aesthetics and perceived performance associated with a particular piece of wood (Nature vs. Nurture). 1) This forum offers a unique place for professional luthiers to showcase their work; both in progress and complete. In many cases, it is shared by the client who commissioned the piece. 2) Bruce (a luthier) posted this to query the pulse of: a) potential buyers; b) other luthiers. It was an interesting query because it weighed the draw of exclusivity against an obvious visual flaw (an interesting prosit) 3) On one hand, we all have opinions and places like AGF are designed as vehicle exchange them. 4) On the other hand, while we all have opinions; I can imagine it quite frustrating for someone who is an experienced luthier to accept dialogue as equal from lay people/players; particularly when a) it relates to sonic claims regarding tonewoods; a subject that they have spent a lifetime trying to master b) or when a thread participant has a perceived sales interest in propagating the brand equity of the wood in question. If someone on this forum expressed an opinion on a subject that I was expert in that I felt was misleading or wrong, I suspect that I might be frustrated as well. There are luthier forums where they exchange ideas, but AGF is unique in that builders and customers come together to celebrate the craft of custom luthiery. Let's continue in that spirit and respect those skilled in the art. I leave you with an image... My $.02
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Forget the lay people for a moment. Here's an opinion I agree with, again from the great Laurent Brondel, whose work and skills are admired by everyone here. Quote:
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Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said — 'You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.'
I hope to not be driven out of my own thread, but I am not going to address this any further at this time as I have surely made my point. Last edited by Bruce Sexauer; 12-08-2013 at 05:45 PM. |
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I think people can safely say what's on their minds on this forum and 99% of people will understand that posts about subjective qualities are, almost by definition, opinions. I don't need caveats on every post that say:
"Warning, the following is an opinion," as I think it's fairly obvious - even to the layperson - when that is happening. Nor do I appreciate or enjoy having posts "policed" by "authorities" on subjective qualities. Everyone here should be able to make statements about their opinions, particularly as they relate to the alchemy of tone wood, without having their credibility brought into question. As for the original question, I would not use that piece of mahogany for a build as I'm generally pretty ambivalent about quilted mahogany, and I don't envision a creative use of the ebony plugs on the middle of every piece.
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I think you are giving me way too much importance, Bruce. I post a few times a week and I much prefer posting photos than actually typing any text. I happen to sincerely feel that tonewoods don't make that much of a difference, especially when comparing species of the same "family". That is my OPINION after playing hundreds if not thousands of guitars. I do not understand how this can be anything but an opinion -- and I do not understand how this can be perceived as an attack on anyone's skills. I have not once stepped in any of your threads and told people not to buy your guitars so I'm not sure what you want me to temper, Bruce. You want me to post less? Or perhaps do you want me to only post if I agree with you? No one is questioning your building technique. Those who like what you build decide to buy your guitars -- simple as is. Quote:
Perhaps we haven't gone to school at the same era -- but I think you are confusing facts and opinions. Barbra Streisand was married to Elliott Gould from 1963 to 1971 -- that's a fact. Barbra Streisand is a great singer -- that's an opinion, and a vague one. As for Laurent, let's not care for what I think -- but here are a few more quotes I found: Quote:
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Maybe you could give other specific examples of what it is that's disturbing you here. Jim McCarthy |
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I voted "be unwilling to own a guitar made with this wood?"
not because of the ebony plugs, my personal thoughts are I just don't find it's figure pretty, garish is a word that comes to mind. It'll be interesting to see just how it's viewed, down the line, I have my suspicions. I would be interested to run a stat on just how many times pictures of this timber have appeared on these pages as it may have gatecrashed my dreams on more than one occasion . guess I'm just not a devotee of WOW. Out of interest, has anyone had a guitar made of this with 'solid' sides, I ask because I've bent highly flamed Maple (on a bending iron) and there were a few heart stopping moments - I wouldn't relish the thought with this timber.
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