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Old 05-07-2017, 12:07 PM
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Judging by the various definitions of "mint", the word requires defining by anyone choosing to use it. Otherwise, big risk of a complicated transaction.

Might a 20 year old guitar be described as mint?

Interestingly, James Goodall described my 2003 Goodall as mint when I brought it to him for the K&K Mini install.
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:49 PM
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Whatever...it isn't for sell it anyway so...
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Old 05-07-2017, 04:19 PM
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I have a 1967 D28 in excellent shape but its not worth a third of what you were quoted.
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Old 05-07-2017, 04:23 PM
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Except for that ding it looks brand new. Any guitar over 40 years old looking new is priceless...
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Old 05-07-2017, 04:27 PM
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Default What does Mint mean?

"Mint" for guitars in my book as a record collector means the same thing it means in the vinyl world: a record that has never been opened and has no wear. The moment the shrink wrap is opened, it's no longer mint.
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Old 05-07-2017, 04:29 PM
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Except for that ding it looks brand new. Any guitar over 40 years old looking new is priceless...


If it has a ding, it's not mint by definition. An otherwise perfect overall condition doesn't make up for a ding in my opinion.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:32 PM
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Never said it was mint... Read it...
Near mint! Not mint...

About appraisal... Most are retail.

When you take ANYTHING to pawn or rings to a jewler or guitars to music store...you NEVER get what it's worth or what you want. You're lucky to get 30%

OP asked for concepts (definitions)and interpretation...

Not documentation...
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:10 PM
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Depending on the age of the guitar. A 30 year old guitar, for example, in perfect condition except for natural discoloration of the binding could still be described as mint IMO.
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:25 PM
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A 30 year old guitar, for example, in perfect condition except for natural discoloration of the binding could still be described as mint IMO.
The yellowed binding surely is different from how it first left the shop, making the guitar not identical to its original state. Whether that matters to a buyer is another story. I would instead call it pristine and never used, but "mint" to me has a higher standard that wouldn't allow for cosmetic changes from how it was originally, any more than permitting changes caused by use.

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Old 05-08-2017, 06:23 AM
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IMO, mint means EXACTLY as it was when the factory last placed it into the case, before shipping.
This. And age has nothing to do with it.
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:08 AM
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If it has a ding, it's not mint by definition. An otherwise perfect overall condition doesn't make up for a ding in my opinion.
Maybe that's when it becomes "Minty" instead of Mint.
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:19 AM
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My thoughts exactly. I move on quickly when I see Mint or Minty.
Yeah. And the point system - 9.9 vs 10- too subjective- no universal guide. For me, personally, "dead mint" and "minty" are a turn off. Even if the guitar is in perfectly immaculate condition, those subjective superlatives make me cringe.
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:52 PM
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Whatever...it isn't for sell it anyway so...
Correct, the Goodall is not for sale.

My point was that a very well respected luthier used the word "mint" to describe a 14 year old guitar that he built.
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:59 PM
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Might a 20 year old guitar be described as mint?
Yes, if it is otherwise unchanged from its original state.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:13 PM
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Tico's definition in the second post is correct. The term is frequently misused. In other markets, such as the rare book trade, "mint" is virtually never used by serious dealers because even the simple business of purchasing and storing a book creates small by real degradation. "Virtually unplayed" is the term that most users of "mint" should use. Some cop out with the ridiculous "minty." A old guitar could conceivably be mint if left cased since purchase, which has probably never happened in human history, given what guitars are for. Newer ones... maybe. Personally, I wish people would not use the term, and at the same time, needing a "mint" guitar seems weird to me to begin with. I mean -- you're supposed to play them.
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