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Old 06-29-2005, 07:10 AM
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Default DAH!! bubbles in my rainsong

So I had just finished a band practice at my church and when I get home, I get my guitar to clean the nasty grim left from my sweaty arm and what do I see? bubbles in my finish. Pretty large bubbles...what the heck is this? anyone else with a CF guitar have anything like this? The bubbles are just above the cutaway (not near where my arm sits while playing). Is this something that's covered under waranty?
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Old 06-29-2005, 07:24 AM
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Congratulations, Mark. You have one of their Limited Editions, complete with their new Supplemental Resonation Cavities.

I don't know about their warranty coverage, but I would suspect that something like this is covered. I suggest contacting your dealer immediately. Good luck!

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Old 07-12-2006, 08:02 PM
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Angry Bubbles in Rainsong Guitar

I recently posted a problem I have with my guitar. I'm looking for others who might have a similar problem.

I have a 12-string Rainsong guitar that I bought used in May. The guitar originally had what appeared to be raised smudges on below and above the sound hole.

In June, I played it in the sun (briefly-- 10 to 15 minutes), the guitar has "bubbled" up. Rainsong denies there is a problem with bubbling, saying they've never heard of it before.

If you do a search on this site, it appears that at least one other person has had a bubbling problem with his Rainsong. Based on conversations I've had with engineering types I know, some sort of delamination is suspected.

The bottom line is that: 1) Rainsong denies this problem and 2) you should know that the Rainsong brand is not weather and temperature tolerant as some Google searches would lead you to believe.

The guitar still sounds good. It looks hell-a-cious, though.
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:05 PM
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ya know i got a finish spot on my martin that is wearing down and becoming discolored by my where my arm rests and/or sweats when jamming. but i am of the mind that the more aged and beat up and waeathered a guitar gets, especially a martin, the more precious it becomes. i am probably inthe minority on this one but i suggest finding the bubbles endearing....
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:14 PM
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I don't know, but it seems to me that I've heard a lot about this issue with Rainsong guitars lately. Too bad that the answer also seems to be that Rainsong doesn't cover it with their warranty
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:20 PM
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Yeah-agreed. "No one's at fault"--but a finish issue?? I'd push it as high up as you can go, and by all means mention posting it on ALL the acoustic guitar forums. Don't think that has an impact? Just ask Stephen Paul (aka "Esteban")
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:38 PM
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Hmm, wonder what they use for the finish? Sounds like something unstable maybe?
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Old 07-13-2006, 03:13 PM
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Yeah, I'd contact them. To me it sounds like an issue with the finish. In other threads some have suggested it's an issue with direct sunlight, but I haven't had that problem with my WS1000. I played an afternoon pool party last weekend and it was a scorcher--no problems with the Rainsong, and I was in the hot sun for almost three hours. Mine is nearly five years old now and I take it everywhere. These guitars are typically impervious to hot and cold weather. However, they are made by human beings and problems can occur in the manufacturing process.
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I've read on the Internet about people playing these guitars in the sun. All I've got to say is: WATCH OUT! I only played this guitar for 10-15 minutes in the sun, and it really screwed up the top's finish.

PS Off-topic--- Please answer: how do you "Search" the forums? It appears to me that this ability to "Search" is no longer available to me. I used to see it as a clickable item on the screen. (I wonder if it's because I negged Rainsong?)
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I've read on the Internet about people playing these guitars in the sun. All I've got to say is: WATCH OUT! I only played this guitar for 10-15 minutes in the sun, and it really screwed up the top's finish.
What on earth, is it finished with watercolours or something!?
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:32 AM
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I've owned Rainsongs for over four years, no bubbling. Played an hour in direct sunlight about a month ago with a JM1000, no problems for the guitar - I had the life sucked out of me, though. The only defect in my old WS1000 was self inflicted while learning why not to put black guitars on black stands in dark rooms where dummies can fall over them.

Of course, having seen what's under the clear finish, the prospect of it all bubbling away doesn't bother me at all, providing the guitar still sounds like it does. Believe me, Jumbo is the way to go with Rainsongs - I love these guitars.

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PS Off-topic--- Please answer: how do you "Search" the forums? It appears to me that this ability to "Search" is no longer available to me. I used to see it as a clickable item on the screen. (I wonder if it's because I negged Rainsong?)
Search is temporarily disabled until they move to a new server. In the mean time I've just used the Google search site feature.

If you don't have the google toolbar (you should but if you don't) go to google and put in (without the quote marks):
"site:www.acousticguitarforum.com rainsong"
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Old 07-20-2006, 10:28 PM
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I have two WS1000s (one Hawai'ian w/ pickguard, the other Washington sans pickguard), and haven't seen the bubbling you mention; one is always out on a stand (or in my lap), the other in its case 90% of the time. Both finishes look OEM.

RainSong related query: There's a noticable difference in the neck profiles between the two: the Hawai'ian has a thicker radius, the Washington's slimmer and slicker. Anybody else played both and noticed the contrast? Maybe it's just my inept "technique."

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Old 07-21-2006, 03:02 PM
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Ah, HAAA! You may have answered my question.
My old jar-head pal Guitarget, who posted above, loves his Rainsongs and continually praises their necks. I found this confusing because I drove three hours to Atlanta to try one out [the wife thinks we went to see my daughter in college] and found the neck to be intollerable. More like a baseball bat sliced in half, when compared to my Big Baby Taylor. There were several in the store and three were "on consignment." It was a few years ago so they could have been made in Hiwaii. I'll let you know if my suspicions are true after he and I get together later on this summer and I get to try them out.
Who knows, my next guitar may be a Rainsong.
After all, I've only bought one this year.
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. . . More like a baseball bat sliced in half. . .
Now here's the irony:
I used to play the thinner Washington out live, but, since I'm a piano player (I only "double" on guitar) I found it harder to play for long stretches (my thumb would get fatigued constantly playing double-barre chords behind some bandmates', uh," e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d solos."
I found that the thicker neck of the Hawai'ian gave me more neck to "press into" and gave me relief. But the Washington feels distinctly more comfortable when I'm just noodling around in the living room.

They both project like a 1959 Kodak Carrousel. They're the Bosendorfer Imperial Grands of the guitar world, IMHO

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Who knows, my next guitar may be a Rainsong.
Hard for me to believe that you wouldn't be impressed.
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