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Old 07-10-2019, 06:48 PM
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Does anyone know DEFINITIVELY anything about who makes this guitar? Please no guesses. Any info would be greatly appreciated! I ALREADY have one of these and absolutely love it, but I know nothing about mine.

Here are pictures of one that currently for sale.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/71776030


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Old 07-10-2019, 07:18 PM
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No idea. Have you attempted to look all around inside the sound hole for clues? The headstock unfortunately is no help to anyone but a guitar guru.

I've visited this site for years out of idle curiosity. If you have the time you may discover something useful there -

http://jedistar.com/
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Old 07-10-2019, 07:51 PM
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Those full on cracks on both sides of the fingerboard are a sign of serious damage.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:00 PM
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Unless you want a wall hanger or a fixer upper, I'd run. Fast. Especially with the cracks where they are.

No idea what kind of guitar it is
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:06 PM
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It’s a crap laminate Korean made guitar. I’ve seen a few with that inlay.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:25 PM
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IMO those tuners give it away as an entry-level Asian import from a rather unfortunate era.
Even if it didn't have all those cracks in critical places I would not bother bidding on it.

It doesn't look worth what it would cost to fix it.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:14 PM
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No idea. Have you attempted to look all around inside the sound hole for clues? The headstock unfortunately is no help to anyone but a guitar guru.

I've visited this site for years out of idle curiosity. If you have the time you may discover something useful there -

http://jedistar.com/
Thanks for the resource, Pitar.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:07 AM
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That headstock logo has come up on this forum before. I don’t recall anyone ever identifying it. FWIW, this is a LOT like (though not identical to) our beloved Marlboro Points Guitars. I’m looking at mine right now and if they are not from the same factory I’ll eat my hat. Could that logo be a stylized M, from before cigarette advertising on giveaways was banned? This could be an early Marlboro COPD model. Here’s a link to their logo, you be the judge.....

https://imgbin.com/png/AHXe5Wsr/marl...ette-brand-png

BTW, these guitars are not bad. They’re useable approximate D-28 knockoffs that are good campfire/bar gig guitars that don’t break the bank.

Also, from the location of some of the cracks, it looks like the neck block has come loose and rotated forward. It DOES have a certain value, though. It would be a good deed if someone would buy this and donate it to a luthiers school, so students could learn how to do this repair!
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https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=182821

(The Zombie thread.)


Interesting resemblance to inverted Epiphone Sheritan II fret markers?



Image source: http://www.epiphone.com/news-feature...-joe-pass.aspx
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:28 AM
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A Korean built Squire Bullet had similar tuners. And there are different button styles.



https://www.fuzzfaced.net/squier-bullet-korea.html


And this company sells replacements. They might have relevant info.
Made in the same factory as Wilkinson range of tuners. They may only offer speculation tho.

https://www.northwestguitars.co.uk/v...ctric-guitars/

Good luck.

BTW: imo people who say they're crap guitars, seem in conflict with those who (in reality) have played them. Actual players disagreeing with posters .)
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:59 PM
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That headstock logo has come up on this forum before. I don’t recall anyone ever identifying it. FWIW, this is a LOT like (though not identical to) our beloved Marlboro Points Guitars. I’m looking at mine right now and if they are not from the same factory I’ll eat my hat. Could that logo be a stylized M, from before cigarette advertising on giveaways was banned? This could be an early Marlboro COPD model. Here’s a link to their logo, you be the judge.....

https://imgbin.com/png/AHXe5Wsr/marl...ette-brand-png

BTW, these guitars are not bad. They’re useable approximate D-28 knockoffs that are good campfire/bar gig guitars that don’t break the bank.


Thanks so much, Dreadfulnaught. That's the most helpful info I've received so far. The logo thing is really compelling. The only thing that leads me away from this being a Marlboro guitar is the fingerboard where it meets the soundhole. Mine is just like the one in the ShopGoodwill listing with a bound squared off edge. All the Marlboro guitars I've seen have the concave cut to match the round on the soundhole. It's certainly possible that there is more than one iteration of the Marlboro guitar, but I've only seen ONE positively identified version, and each appears to have identical features, but of course mine does not.

The mystery continues.

What does your fretboard edge look like?

BTW, my fascination with identifying this guitar is that the one I own is an amazing guitar! It is built like a tank, but sounds and plays like a work of art. Maybe I just got lucky, but I've heard others say similar things about theirs. Still, I have yet to find anyone who knows ANYTHING about their specimens or mine.

Thanks again.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:13 PM
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Those full on cracks on both sides of the fingerboard are a sign of serious damage.
The binding and the rosette are broken and shifted along the left crack. It is not a simple split crack. It is a displacement or movement crack, showing that the strings have pulled the neck into the body, through the top and back towards the saddle.
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:32 AM
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I had a customer's guitar in my shop with that same headstock inlay, the same tuners, and the elongated headstock. We were unable to identify it. It also had several cracks in the top. The back and sides were rosewood, most likely laminate, but we couldn't tell for sure. He thought it had solid back/sides, and that it might be someone's homemade guitar, but who would put that much work into building a guitar by hand and then put those cheap tuners on it? I thought it was more likely an unbranded import. It was an outstanding sounding guitar whatever it was.

The cracks on the top mean that it is a solid top. Laminate doesn't crack like that. The most concerning crack is the one on the upper bout where the neck meets the body. With it shoved in like that, it is likely that the neck block is damaged.
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:43 AM
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It’s a crap laminate Korean made guitar. I’ve seen a few with that inlay.
There was another one just like it on Goodwill a while ago - at that time the suggestions were of a home made guitar.
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Thanks so much, Dreadfulnaught. That's the most helpful info I've received so far. The logo thing is really compelling. The only thing that leads me away from this being a Marlboro guitar is the fingerboard where it meets the soundhole. Mine is just like the one in the ShopGoodwill listing with a bound squared off edge. All the Marlboro guitars I've seen have the concave cut to match the round on the soundhole. It's certainly possible that there is more than one iteration of the Marlboro guitar, but I've only seen ONE positively identified version, and each appears to have identical features, but of course mine does not.

The mystery continues.

What does your fretboard edge look like?

BTW, my fascination with identifying this guitar is that the one I own is an amazing guitar! It is built like a tank, but sounds and plays like a work of art. Maybe I just got lucky, but I've heard others say similar things about theirs. Still, I have yet to find anyone who knows ANYTHING about their specimens or mine.

Thanks again.
My fretboard end is curved and flush with the edge of the soundhole. I have heard that the Marlboro guitars may have been built in more than one factory, so minor differences would make sense.
I took mine on a trip to Mexico in February, before I got my Voyage-Air. Did not want to risk one of my Martins. I played it in a club in Chapala. I put a Fishman soundhole pickup in there and it works just fine. I’ve also heard vague rumors of a OOO Marlboro model but I doubt they exist, as I’ve never even seen a picture of one.
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