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I think we have two separate issues here. First of all, the guy in question is a jerk. Or at least he is behaving as one. There is a difference between offering constructive and helpful ideas and trying to make someone feel small and denegrating them.
The other issue is that there is a broad continuum of audio quality. You can invest more time and money into production and get better and better results. Depends on your goal and what you want your stuff to sound like. I think your tone is pretty good. The playing is real solid. You seem to have your own vocal approach that is unique and well controlled. So if I were to say anything, I would offer suggestions for running a line-in to the camera. There are some lower cost cameras now that have external mic access which means they can also accept a line in from a board. Another option is to capture audio separately via a mixing board directly onto a PC, and marry the audio and video in a tool like Sony VEGAS. What kind of mic are you using? There ARE now stero mics designed specifically for the iPod. Coming up with a better original signal may be the fastest way to make incremental improvements. There are a lot of options. It all depends on how polished you want to be. I WILL say your playing and singing are at that level where I would not feel guilty about investing a bit more in production. You've got a lot of skills and some good stuff going on. If you want to add more polish, I can connect you with a few guys who can really be helpful. Without being jerks. Last edited by HAMFIST; 03-30-2011 at 07:46 AM. Reason: #@*(% typos |
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Thanks, I was checking out that mikey mic for the ipod. I don't know much about ipods, I'm wondering if I plug that in does the video recorder on the ipod know to use that rather than the internal mic?
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Reading the guy's comments, I expected to find a much worse recording than I actually did. It sounds like many of the You Tube covers that I dial up.
Having said that, I do have some observations (in no particular order): 1) You're a much better player than the average You Tube cover. That higher quality of playing creates in me a subconscious demand for a higher quality of everything, including the audio experience. 2) You have a wide array of equipment, multiple guitars, nice looking amps, etc. Similar to point #1, this all creates the expectations for a better audio experience. Why spend so much time and money and then stop right at the point that directly affects the audience? This goes double (actually quadruple) given the fact that your website looks so sophisticated and technically pleasing. Why did you stop caring about the technical end when you got to the music? 3) There does seem to be a kind of tunnel, or ringing, or something that may or may not be able to be dialed down/out with your current equipment. The audio on a typical camcorder seems to be the weak link on most of these projects. Getting a good set of technical ears to help you would be worth the effort. 4) Whereas the overall sound would better be described as "audio," your voice would better be described as "tone." You have a nice, deep voice, but bass can become muddy if not directly addressed. A mic change for your vocal range might be in order, or perhaps just a little tweaking of the vocals that would help clear up your vocal tone. (The tunnel or reverb sound that is affecting the overall sound is undoubtedly contributing to the vocal muddiness). You asked for honesty and this is the best I can give you. If you want people to load up one of your songs, you don't need to do anything. If you want them to load up 5 or 6, and then pay for a CD, you'll improve the audio experience. Good luck! geokie8
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IMHO, just using a decent mic or two and going without amplification may actually work better. Seems like you are getting a lot of feedback here. A number of folks may be willing to consult with you a bit off the thread. It's all good, man. Main thing is ... you are a very musical and compelling player/singer. There are complete wankers out there who use more toys and production tricks than you are using here. |
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LOL @ the Wankers comment. Thanks for the compliment and suggestions. One of the issues I have is that I can't hear what I'm doing. I have no extra set of ears. The reverb on the vocals might be up to high causing the feedback. I actually turned the volume way down on the amps too for this one. I think the recording space is just not optimal, It was the same thing 2 years ago with different equipment. I think I need some carpet on the floor or something too, or something on the walls perhaps as well as a better recording device or an external mic for the ipod. |
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Hey Knuckle,
I agree that the tone of your guitar is fine. Keeping in mind that you are just tryin' to just put your art out there and having fun, you may want to tweak the audio levels/eq or use a better device. I think maybe the natural acoustics of the room is a main contributer to the "tunnel" reverb effect. As you know in my little YouTube show I simply use a Sony Vaio laptop. I have a nice condenser mic and Protools I could have used, however I chose the former for this project because I wanted to do an off the cuff, raw, live kinda thing. I live in an old home with real old wooden floors (1945) and the natural acoustics in my livingroom are lovely & lend favorably to the pure natural sound/tone of my guitars. Thats what I wanted to capture, not that a better device could still do that, but I was trying to keep it simple. Now the laptop has a decent mike and I definitly had to tweak the levels/eq as much as the program allows and I still may be able to improve it, however I did have friends preview it to double check audio as to not be too hot/overdriven or to soft where you have to crank the audio to max and still can't hear it very well. I left it so the listener has room to go up or down in volume. It does ones music an injustice if the levels are too extreme, the device is of poor quality, or the natural acoustics of the environment are conducive to undesirable colorings to your instrument. Knuckle you are an artist with a wonderful gift both lyrically and musically. An honest friend will graciously advise you in helping you to tweak your recordings to where you want them. This fellow on the other forum was not. So you may 1.)try recording in a different room, 2.)tweak the audio device you are using and if the environmental acoustics of the other room improve the audio but still isn't satisfactory, invest in a better suited audio device. Don't be discouraged friend, I've listened to your tunes, and your a gifted songwriter and many here obviously support you and are ready to help. noledog PS. Stamper Mike has a wonderful recording sound in his studio, it is very natural and pure IMHO he may be one you may consult...
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For the comment before noledog. See, I can't figure this out. I thought this one sounded better than the others
Who knows. noledog, thank you for your compliments. There's some good feedback and suggestions in this thread, I appreciate it. Last edited by knuckle; 03-30-2011 at 08:42 AM. |
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knuckle, internet opinions as they are i think that your guitar playing is quite good and your sound is fine. recorded "tone" is what it is and if you feel a need to improve then it's just a matter of a tech upgrade.
what i feel could use some attention though is that your voice seems to have a narrow range. while this is fine and good, paring it better with your guitar might be an area for some investigation. it's one reason i don't bother to sing myself. perhaps a vocal coach could help you to find areas to explore within your range to better accentuate your current playing and chosen tunings. all in all i think you are doing fine and at least you are getting it out there which is more than a lot of people do. |
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Hi Knuckle,
I listened to your video; as others have noted, it's not out of line with the quality of most You Tube recordings. Your antagonist from the other forum is being overly harsh and unfair. I do agree, though, that if you want to make more of an impact, you will need to find ways to bring your recorded sound quality more up to professional levels. That takes better equipment and a lot of experimentation. It really helps to get help locally from someone who has some recording experience. I would look around where you live to see if you can find anyone who can help you. With a little help, you could make some quantum, positive changes pretty rapidly. I would keep at it, but look for ways to run mics to a separate board and then from that board into your Ipod through the external mic input. That approach, alone, could make a huge difference. Also, a little reverb goes a long way; most of us want to layer on too much. Hang in there... - Glenn |
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I suggest going unplugged and moving the Ipod in close or backing the reverb down (or off). It seems like the camera is too far away creating additional reverb. I believe that is the "tunnel" effect everyone is talking about. In my opinion, the small internal mics on phones and cameras don't handle reverb well.
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Thanks, I'll do a reshoot later, no reverb, ipod closer, see what happens. I have a small studio room I built downstairs for music, it's about 12x14 and the sound seems to bounce off the walls in there. Sucks as I built the whole room with recording and playing in mind and it sonically sucks. However the room is not treated or anything with any acoustic insulation.
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What does his recorded tone sound like? point us to a link of his so we can all go there and make comments?
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