COVID-19 (Cont'd #9)

[MartinGibsonFan]

Originally Posted by tubeamps

I get the impression that some posters think the people on the front lines, MDs, nurses, Emts , are capable of working 24/7 with no breaks.

When you see the numbers on hospitalizations you should think a minute about the real people that have to deal with this every day.

Does it take the complete collapse of our healthcare system to get everyone’s attention?

A complete collapse may be in order, I wouldn't argue much about it

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

Wearing Masks at restaurants and other outtings?

Doesn't seem normal to me, but who knows what the public will succumb to.

J

This is an interesting point.

For me, I just don't see the downside of wearing a mask. I didn't study disease transmission so I'm not an expert. My thinking is, if the experts are right and we all wear a mask, festivals happen, concerts happen, there is no COVID thread #20 on the AGF, etc. If the experts are wrong, I wore a piece of cloth on my face. That's it. There's simply no real downside.

People's opposition to mask wearing makes zero sense to me.

[TJE]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

This is an interesting point.

For me, I just don't see the downside of wearing a mask. I didn't study disease transmission so I'm not an expert. My thinking is, if the experts are right and we all wear a mask, festivals happen, concerts happen, there is no COVID thread #20 on the AGF, etc. If the experts are wrong, I wore a piece of cloth on my face. That's it. There's simply no real downside.

People's opposition to mask wearing makes zero sense to me.

I wear a mask...however I don’t like wearing one...if someone actually likes wearing a foreign objection their face...more power to them....(remember to be nice)....I’ll stop!YMMV

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by TJE

I wear a mask... however I don’t like wearing one...if someone actually likes wearing a foreign objection their face...more power to them....(remember to be nice)....I’ll stop!YMMV

I get that but I also don't like wearing shoes and a shirt. And yet, that's an acceptable compromise for service.

[MartinGibsonFan]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

This is an interesting point.

For me, I just don't see the downside of wearing a mask. I didn't study disease transmission so I'm not an expert. My thinking is, if the experts are right and we all wear a mask, festivals happen, concerts happen, there is no COVID thread #20 on the AGF, etc. If the experts are wrong, I wore a piece of cloth on my face. That's it. There's simply no real downside.

People's opposition to mask wearing makes zero sense to me.

I can't see anyone taking the stance that wearing a mask, that there is no downside.

I've attempted to wear a mask, I have restricted airflow, I am breathing my own recycled air.

I'd rather breath fresh contaminated air than my own recycled air.

Other's may have different opinions on this.

J

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

I can't see anyone taking the stance that wearing a mask, that there is no downside.

I've attempted to wear a mask, I have restricted airflow, I am breathing my own recycled air.

I'd rather breath fresh contaminated air than my own recycled air.

Other's may have different opinions on this.

J

But that's the thing, you aren't breathing recycled air. Average breathing rate is 6L/min at 12 to 16 breaths per minute. No cloth mask can hold that much air per breath.

And sure, I don't wear a mask at home when I don't have to for fun, but I don't get the huge opposition when we go out. It just seems like we could so easily be much further along but yet, here we are....

[MartinGibsonFan]

I'm not breathing recycled air?

Tell my body that.

My body can totally tell the difference if my nose and mouth are restricted breathing air.

I just an in total astonishment when people say there is no difference with you nose and mouth covered and breathing.

That there is no difference.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE FOLKS

J

[MartinGibsonFan]

Wearing shoes and a shirt?

That's not a justification to wearing a mask.

J

[buddyhu]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

I'm pretty sure statistics isn't going to get our Country moving in the right directions.

Folks can spew statistics until the cows come home and beyond.

Right now, we need to be concerned with the well being of everyone in the country, and that doesn't mean keeping everyone safe from the virus.

It means keeping us safe from malaise, torpor, depression, indifference, worry and many other things.

We need optimism instead of negativism, pessimism and overall depressive attitude, which there are so many people promoting this attitude.

I can't understand all this negative attitude among the country these days?

Anyway, I see a lighter picture than most folks on this thread express.

J

Well, ignoring statistics hasn’t turned out very well for Texas, Florida, and Georgia.

Before you start saying that herd immunity is the only solution, you should at least wait until there is an indication that herd immunity is possible. At this point, there aren’t indications that having COVID19 confers long lasting immunity, and there are few anecdotal accounts of people having antibodies when tested (presumed at the time to be a low symptom case), and then the same person dying from COVID19 a couple of months later.

I am tired of legitimate questions and concerns being labeled as “negativism” Or pessimism, or similarly dismissive labels. If people can’t contemplate difficulties and ambiguous situations without getting depressed, then that is a weakness or limitation on their end....it is not a problem with my outlook or my capacity to face what is difficult to face.

[MartinGibsonFan]

Negativism and Pessimism didn't make what America is today.

J

[Neil K Walk]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

I think the problem is that we have conflict between the ' New Normal ' versus the ' Old Normal '

We'll see who prevails.

Wearing Masks at restaurants and other outtings?

Doesn't seem normal to me, but who knows what the public will succumb to.

J

Personally, if the “new normal” involves telecommuting and closing the laptop to have dinner with the family instead of the “old normal” of telling them to nuke something while you sit in bumper to bumper traffic I’ll take it.

Seriously, as a parent I think they’re rushing the kids back to school. It took me 5 years to figure out the reason I got a stomach flu every November was all my kids’ fault: they’re carrier which need their flu shots after all. The whole “virtual schooling” thing was completely underwhelming. I see it as more of an alternative to falling behind when you have to call them off sick.

[Geof S.]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

Negativism and Pessimism didn't make what America is today.

J

I guess I don't understand your position, could you be a little clearer? You seem to be suggesting we just let the virus run its course. The estimates I have seen are several million deaths in the U.S. alone if we do that. Is this really what you want?

[Brucebubs]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

I don't mean to sound cold.

But, if at this point, hospitals are struggling with resources, who's problem is that?

Of course, citizens are impacted, but it's truly the Hospitals that should be addressing these issues, and if three months isn't enough, then, the health care system has been WILLFULLY negligent in that area.

So, what's the solution?

I think Herd Immunity (Sweden) is the answer, I know it's not popular here, but I think that is the only answer until a Vaccine is developed.

J

'Herd Immunity' Sweden - population 10 million - COVID deaths 5,526

'Lockdown' Australia - population 26 million - COVID deaths 106

[MartinGibsonFan]

Absolutely, let the virus run it's course.

Just like past viruses have run their course.

Restricting economic and personal activity is not the answer.

J

[buddyhu]

Originally Posted by MartinGibsonFan

Negativism and Pessimism didn't make what America is today.

J

Glad that you understand my point, and are viewing my clear eyed look at reality as following in my ancestors’ footsteps.