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Even though the check did not total out to the even dollar, the change the waiter brought back was missing all the coins. They kept the part of my change that was coins. I called the waiter back, assuming he had made an honest mistake. He said this was the restaurant's policy. I asked to see the menu again, and it was not mentioned anywhere on the menu. (Had it been there, we would have immediate left and told the manager why.) Still, the waiter wouldn't budge so I asked for the manager. She just repeated the policy so I made a big loud stink. She pulled out a dollar bill and handed it to me. It was a single bill she had ready in her pocket for this process. Clearly I'm not the first customer to object to this theft. As with tinnitus, it wasn't the money, it was the principle. In a voice loud enough for other customers to hear, I let her know that stealing from customers is a crime and we won't be back. Last edited by Tico; 07-04-2020 at 03:35 PM. |
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Personally I wouldn't mind if America deleted the penny, but only if all businesses were required to round the total up or down to the nearest nickel.
Heck, while we're at it let's also get rid of nickels too and round up or down to the nearest dime. In the long term it would be a cash-wash for the customers and businesses. Actually, business would lower their expenses a bit by not having to handle and count two coin denominations. No extra work for their employees as their cash registers could be programmed to do the math for them. Customers would have fewer stupid coins to carry and hassle with. And seriously, how many things can you buy today with four pennies, or even with 9 cents? Last edited by Tico; 07-03-2020 at 12:24 PM. |
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"Hassling" with coins? First world problem. Not an issue to basically always have less than a dollar in coins in pocket if one is able to do math. Good employees and savvy customers should be able to handle that without having to rely on a register to calculate. If you can count to 100 you can handle figuring out change and most registers seem to do that now already anyway. As to the final point... almost every ad I see has pricing ending in a 9.That and the fact that tax rates often take prices to a number not ending in a 5 or 0 means yes, we little people need coins to cover that. |
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I told him, "Trust me. It'll work out, you'll owe me a quarter." The POS terminal ("Point of Sale" I recently learned, lol) did all the third grade mathematics for him and we were finally done. The stunned look on his face was priceless - something along the lines of, "How did he DO that???" Last edited by tinnitus; 07-03-2020 at 09:41 AM. |
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Not all employees are good. Not all customers are savvy. So your 'people should' arguments for keeping pennies is weak. Some other people will never be the way that you, or I, feel they "should" be. But people are how they are, so public policy should accommodate this unalterable reality. Should can be a dangerous word. People "should" wear seat belts, not steal, not drive drunk, not assault others, etc. But since "should" does not make it so, laws and punishments are a part of public policy. Last edited by Tico; 07-04-2020 at 04:43 AM. |
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Ther rounding down argument sounds nice but in practice any smart business person will know exactly how to price items so that all sales round up and they get to keep the extra few cents per sale. Again, pennies add up to dollars. Dollars that ultimately I worked my tail off to earn. I really still don't see an issue here. It's VERY basic math and there are reasons the penny and other change exists no matter if you personally use or approve of said change. Last edited by Kerbie; 07-04-2020 at 01:24 PM. Reason: Please refrain from profanity. |
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619TF, we've both posted our opinions and supporting arguments, and still disagree.
I'll leave it at that. |
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Everybody knows that if you go too far, you'll fall off the Earth! Yeah, and how come its always night in those Moon pictures!
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While this isn't the "norm" by any means, recently I've had cash transactions when the cashier or waiter simply ignored the fact that I was supposed to receive, for example, .23 back in change and gave me a quarter.
This seems to be happening more and more lately and I don't know if it's a sign of our new virus-caused "normal" or these vendors are simply tired of dealing with pennies. I suspect the US won't be abolishing the penny or the paper dollar any time soon, if the attempt to convert to Metric is any indicator. That was a total failure on the government's part and I see the same thing happening here. It seems we Americans don't like to be dictated to. Best, PJ
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Dollar coins here faced multiple problems, only one of which was that no machines recognized them. There was the worst problem ever when they tried making them the same size as quarters and the reason they've been soundly rejected in this country is the fault of the manner of issuance and lack of infrastructural support. Make them obviously different from quarters and adopt acceptance into all coin-accepting devices and they'll become as popular as they are in Canada and Japan. Smallest bill in Japan is $10, and that's a good thing when they're putting tips in your jar.
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Pennies don't cost more than they're worth because of the metal, it's the labor costs and I'd bet that all coins, not just the pennies, cost more than their face value. Due to copper shortages in 1943 they made the pennies out of steel, but now they're copper coated zinc. Roll one out and you can melt it with a match.
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Perfect!
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Japan. It blows my mind when you'll find large stores over there that don't accept credit cards, and then little ones that won't accept cash. If you go to Japan, just make sure you have both a credit card and cash at all times.
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