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Old 09-08-2023, 06:51 AM
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There was a period when pop records were arranged and produced to work well on a tiny transistor radio. Built from the top down rather than the bottom up, so to speak. So players like Jamerson and McCartney and arrangers like Brian Wilson could indulge themselves without fear of yanking the moorings out from under the song.
It’s hard to believe that they were arranging and producing popular songs to work well on tiny transistor radios…..is that a verifiable fact or conjecture?
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It’s hard to believe that they were arranging and producing popular songs to work well on tiny transistor radios…..is that a verifiable fact or conjecture?
Verifiable fact - I've read a couple of accounts of Motown's mixdown process, how they went through a highly sophisticated (for the day) system of EQ, compression, et al. while listening to the cuts over both studio monitors and transistor-radio-type speakers, until they found a mix that sounded good with both...
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Old 09-08-2023, 07:47 AM
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Verifiable fact - I've read a couple of accounts of Motown's mixdown process, how they went through a highly sophisticated (for the day) system of EQ, compression, et al. while listening to the cuts over both studio monitors and transistor-radio-type speakers, until they found a mix that sounded good with both...
..whooda thunkit?…I ask that because many vintage recordings from that era sound so darn good on quality hi-fi gear, it’s hard to believe they weren’t going for…THAT sound….but it makes sense that they would be concerned with what listeners were listening through….as I recall, most televisions incorporated low-fi sound and good quality audio hadn’t really made its way into automobiles yet…although the massive Grundig console in the living room rocked!!…..that’s what I grew up with so I was taking note of those glorious bass lines of the day…
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There seems to be a lot more freedom in playing bass( very much like a singer) in group setting than guitar, piano, ect
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Do bass players really frown upon playing bass like a guitar?
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Two of the best bass players who played it like a guitar were Carol Kaye and Paul McCartney, and with a pick no less.
Lots of bassists use picks. Paul anc Carol play bass like it's a bass, the framework that the song hangs on, like they're framing a house. They do it brilliantly.
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It’s hard to believe that they were arranging and producing popular songs to work well on tiny transistor radios…..is that a verifiable fact or conjecture?
I took an audio production course in the nineties. A mix was done when it sounded good on the studio monitors and on a car cassette deck — while driving in traffic.

Ever see the movie Once? There's a scene where they hop in a car and literally take a mix for a test drive. It's how the pros do it.
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I took an audio production course in the nineties. A mix was done when it sounded good on the studio monitors and on a car cassette deck — while driving in traffic.

Ever see the movie Once? There's a scene where they hop in a car and literally take a mix for a test drive. It's how the pros do it.
The point, really, is that you listen to it the way your target is going to listen to it. That stopped just being on radio/in a car a very long time ago.
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Totally depends on the group setting and who you're playing with. Sometimes the bass is the only thing holding things together so you have very little freedom, at least rhythmically. Other situations really call for tonic on the one so you can't mess with that ("play on the one and don't fake the funk...").

Bass is the glue between harmony (guitar/keys) and rhythm (drums) which often comes with significant responsibility. But I've played gigs (and my band for years) where on bass I got to adopt multiple personalities, sometimes comping chords, sometimes soloing, sometimes not playing at all for a few bars. And in a jazz context, you do tend to have more freedom than a lot of rocks gigs BUT it also depends on the gig and the context. A lot of guitar/keys in jazz ensembles will omit the root from them comping, expecting that the bass will carry that. So you have to be mindful and not play the 3rd or the 7th on the one too many times, lest you get funny looks :-D
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