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10-25-2021, 07:17 PM
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It's funny how people downplay the word luthier and what it means but will quibble about the difference between black walnut, claro walnut....or the various rosewoods. Just face it guitar players, guitarists, guitars are just weird..
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10-25-2021, 07:40 PM
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My last guy was indeed a luthier. I enjoyed looking at his works in progress while dropping off my guitar. I am looking for a decent guitar person now. The last shop I stopped by, I asked about having a new nut made and I was told they don't do that, they just shim with paper. I'm not leaving an instrument with them.
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10-25-2021, 07:44 PM
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10-25-2021, 07:50 PM
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I understand, it annoys me a little, not as much as it annoys you but I understand pet leaves lol. In my case, where I bring my Guild for work is to an actual well respected luthier who builds beautiful guitars and mandolins. Otherwise I refer to the people as techs.
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10-25-2021, 07:57 PM
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10-25-2021, 08:12 PM
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Thread reminded me of an old thread where we tried to define the term 'vintage', a lot of players consider their prize guitars vintage.
But what is the definition of 'luthier', plenty of apprentice luthiers do not make their own guitars. The entire staff in Japan's LS36 Yamaha makers are specialists, one for the box, one for the neck, one for the spray, one for the inlay etc....to me they are luthiers.
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10-25-2021, 08:58 PM
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Word definitions generally accepted are from authorities in the field, not the average guitar player, or drummer. Many of them did not pay much attention in English class.
The word dates from centuries ago, before guitars were invented, and many authorities define it as someone who makes or repairs stringed instruments. There is a lot more repair and adjustment going on than making, and it is a much respected craft by knowledgeable players. By average knucklehead players, not so much. - Stevo
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10-25-2021, 11:11 PM
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I knew a guy who worked in a music store and did guitar set ups and repairs. He also taught at Roberto Venn Luthier schools, a place where he was also an alumni. He also was a guitar tech for a well known 70s band. I think it's fair to call him a luthier.
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10-26-2021, 04:06 AM
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The English language is very flexible. Old words are repurposed and take on new meanings over time and become commonly used and accepted. It's not like French, which has the Academie Francaise to argue and debate over which words should be acceptable. I Last edited by Silurian; 10-26-2021 at 03:06 PM.
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10-26-2021, 04:08 AM
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I don't think I've ever had anyone work on my guitars/other stringed instruments who wasn't also a luthier - just luck perhaps that wherever I've lived the nearest "techs" in the area also happened to be well known luthiers who build gorgeous instruments.
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10-26-2021, 05:48 AM
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10-26-2021, 08:38 AM
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In Mexico, the govt even has a school. It's about an hour away.
https://inba.gob.mx/recinto/24/escuela-de-lauderia
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10-26-2021, 02:25 PM
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Silurian wrote:
"It's not like French, which has the Academie Francaise to argue and debate over which words should be acceptable." Nor do we have an effective guild that can enforce a definition of a 'luthier'. It's been tried, but this being the USA we can't get people to accept a single definition. In the past luthiers did make harps, at least according to one guild regulation I've seen. I have.  So far as I can make out, in the old guild systems you became a master when the other masters agreed that you were one. There were formal tests that changed over time, but that's the bottom line. A master was allowed to open his own shop, and hire journeymen workers, but he was also expected to train new workers, and had to meet certain benchmarks there; he could not simply use apprentices as slave labor. I've been building stringed instruments for a long time, and did a lot of repair work in the past, although I don't do it now. I heartily recommend any builder do repairs, at least for a while; it's a good way to learn what doesn't work. At this point I know a number of non-builder 'techs' who are far better at what they do than I will ever be. They do five times as many setups as I do, or more. Some of the wood work, and particularly the finish touch-up, is at the level of fine art. Some of them are excellent builders, when they turn their hand to it, but prefer to do repairs, and probably make more money that way. So, it would be nice if we could come up with a way to distinguish 'builder luthiers' from 'tech luthiers'; it would save me having to explain why I don't want to do a setup on a beater on Saturday afternoon, but I'm not holding my breath.
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