Opinions requested

[jcpharm]

would you consider a 000 (short scale 24.9") with adi top and rosewood B&S but with the worn streetmaster look? Martin now has a 000-16 Streetmaster with those specs. has the 1 3/4 nut you need as well:
https://reverb.com/item/58940851-mar...-free-ship-949

here's a vid of it being played (well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmYr-04A-VQ

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by jcpharm

would you consider a 000 (short scale 24.9") with adi top and rosewood B&S but with the worn streetmaster look? Martin now has a 000-16 Streetmaster with those specs. has the 1 3/4 nut you need as well:
https://reverb.com/item/58940851-mar...-free-ship-949

here's a vid of it being played (well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmYr-04A-VQ

Thanks for the links. That's a good looking and good sounding guitar, but I really prefer a dreadnought. That's why I sold my RK 000.

[Troubador]

I have a question: Why would a HD-16R be selling for $500 more than the Special 16 Style Rosewood? They are both 16 Series guitars.

[jacot23]

Originally Posted by Troubador

I have a question: Why would a HD-16R be selling for $500 more than the Special 16 Style Rosewood? They are both 16 Series guitars.

Availability?
Optimism?

Just because they're asking that doesn't mean they'll get it.

[sinistral]

The HD-16R has something of a cult following since it has a number of premium features, like a red spruce top, herringbone trim, etc. The neck joint is the main thing that distinguishes it from a Standard series guitar (and if I’m not mistaken, the earliest versions had a dovetail neck joint).

I think T Spoon Phillips did a nice write-up of the guitar.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by sinistral

The HD-16R has something of a cult following since it has a number of premium features, like a red spruce top, herringbone trim, etc. The neck joint is the main thing that distinguishes it from a Standard series guitar (and if I’m not mistaken, the earliest versions had a dovetail neck joint).

I think T Spoon Phillips did a nice write-up of the guitar.

Right, thanks for that. Although there are two versions of it -- the Adirondack, and the LSH (Large Sound Hole) which has a Sitka top. Looks to me like the one with Sitka top shouldn't go for as much as the Adi-topped one.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by jacot23

Availability?
Optimism?

Just because they're asking that doesn't mean they'll get it.

Yes, good point there.

[lowrider]

From Sweetwater, here are the HD-16R specs

Martin HD-16R Adirondack 6-string Acoustic Guitar Features:
Finish Top: Polished Gloss w/ Vintage Toner

Construction: Mortise/Tenon Neck Joint
Body Size: D-14 Fret
Top: Solid Adirondack Spruce
Rosette: Style 28
Top Braces: Solid Adirondack Spruce 5/16''
Back Material: Solid East Indian Rosewood
Back Purfling: HD Zig-Zag
Side Material: Solid East Indian Rosewood
Binding: Grained Ivoroid
Top Inlay Style: Fine Herringbone
Side Inlay: none
Back Inlay: Black/White Boltaron
Neck Material: Select Hardwood
Neck Shape: Modified V
Headstock: Solid/Diamond/Square Taper
Headplate: Solid East Indian Rosewood /Raised Gold Foil
Heelcap: Grained Ivoroid
Fingerboard Material: Solid Black Ebony
Scale Length: 25.4''
Number of Frets Clear: 14
Number of Frets Total: 20
Fingerboard Width at Nut: 1-3/4''
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret: 2-1/4''
Fingerboard Position Inlays: Diamonds & Squares
Fingerboard Binding: none
Finish Back and Sides: Polished Gloss
Finish Neck: Satin
Bridge Material: Solid Black Ebony
Bridge Style: Belly
Bridge String Spacing: 2-1/4''
Saddle: 16'' Radius/Compensated/White Tusq
Tuning Machines: Chrome w/ Large Buttons
Bridge and End Pins: White w/ Tortoise Colored Dots
Pickguard: Delmar Tortoise Color
Included Case: 345

I highlighted the neck joint. You get a M/T neck joint that comes with A-frame bracing, but you get the Adirondack top.

I still think you should try the new D-16 Special.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by lowrider

From Sweetwater, here are the HD-16R specs

Martin HD-16R Adirondack 6-string Acoustic Guitar Features:
Finish Top: Polished Gloss w/ Vintage Toner

Construction: Mortise/Tenon Neck Joint
Body Size: D-14 Fret
Top: Solid Adirondack Spruce
Rosette: Style 28
Top Braces: Solid Adirondack Spruce 5/16''
Back Material: Solid East Indian Rosewood
Back Purfling: HD Zig-Zag
Side Material: Solid East Indian Rosewood
Binding: Grained Ivoroid
Top Inlay Style: Fine Herringbone
Side Inlay: none
Back Inlay: Black/White Boltaron
Neck Material: Select Hardwood
Neck Shape: Modified V
Headstock: Solid/Diamond/Square Taper
Headplate: Solid East Indian Rosewood /Raised Gold Foil
Heelcap: Grained Ivoroid
Fingerboard Material: Solid Black Ebony
Scale Length: 25.4''
Number of Frets Clear: 14
Number of Frets Total: 20
Fingerboard Width at Nut: 1-3/4''
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret: 2-1/4''
Fingerboard Position Inlays: Diamonds & Squares
Fingerboard Binding: none
Finish Back and Sides: Polished Gloss
Finish Neck: Satin
Bridge Material: Solid Black Ebony
Bridge Style: Belly
Bridge String Spacing: 2-1/4''
Saddle: 16'' Radius/Compensated/White Tusq
Tuning Machines: Chrome w/ Large Buttons
Bridge and End Pins: White w/ Tortoise Colored Dots
Pickguard: Delmar Tortoise Color
Included Case: 345

I highlighted the neck joint. You get a M/T neck joint that comes with A-frame bracing, but you get the Adirondack top.

I still think you should try the new D-16 Special.

Thanks for posting the HD-16R Adirondack specs. The LSH version is different, though -- Sitka top and not the v-neck of the Adi.

I just got a quote from Musician's Friend for 15% off the Special 16 Style Rosewood Dreadnought. That's tempting.

P.S. Where did you find the specs on Sweetwater's site? I couldn't find the guitar listed there.

[Bridgepin]

Hey what's up Troubador, If your looking for a guitar that is not so vulnerable to the elements, check out a Carbon fiber guitars, I played a "Rainsong " dread years ago. To me it would be the best all around camping or go anywhere guitar. I know Rainsongs are expensive but there are other choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2fR95Wtrk

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by Bridgepin

Hey what's up Troubador, If your looking for a guitar that is not so vulnerable to the elements, check out a Carbon fiber guitars, I played a "Rainsong " dread years ago. To me it would be the best all around camping or go anywhere guitar. I know Rainsongs are expensive but there are other choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2fR95Wtrk

Thanks for the tip, and the link.

Hey, that guitar sounds really good! Thanks for giving me that option. What's the nut width on this? I can't find that info.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by Bridgepin

Hey what's up Troubador, If your looking for a guitar that is not so vulnerable to the elements, check out a Carbon fiber guitars, I played a "Rainsong " dread years ago. To me it would be the best all around camping or go anywhere guitar. I know Rainsongs are expensive but there are other choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2fR95Wtrk

I usually don't like much of anything "modern", but after listening to that Youtube clip and seeing and hearing all the features, and price, I was just about ready to get this guitar. I love the tone! And it would have been perfect for how I was going to use it. But then I went to Amazon and read the Q&A, and found out the nut width is 1 11/16. My heart sank.

[sinistral]

Originally Posted by Troubador

Thanks for posting the HD-16R Adirondack specs. The LSH version is different, though -- Sitka top and not the v-neck of the Adi.

I just got a quote from Musician's Friend for 15% off the Special 16 Style Rosewood Dreadnought. That's tempting.

P.S. Where did you find the specs on Sweetwater's site? I couldn't find the guitar listed there.

Here are the specs on Sweetwater: Sweetwater—Martin HD-16R Adirondack

I think I was confusing the HD-16R with the D-16M. From what I can tell, the early HD-16Rs had M&T neck joints, and then switched to simple dovetail neck joints.

[Bridgepin]

Originally Posted by Troubador

I usually don't like much of anything "modern", but after listening to that Youtube clip and seeing and hearing all the features, and price, I was just about ready to get this guitar. I love the tone! And it would have been perfect for how I was going to use it. But then I went to Amazon and read the Q&A, and found out the nut width is 1 11/16. My heart sank.

To be honest I have 1 11/16 guitars and 1 3/4 nut width guitar and when I was playing my Martin Marquis all the time that has a 1 3/4 nut and not playing my other guitars it was a bit of a challenge going back, but I changed my practice habits and made sure I played both and in no time it became a non issue going back and forth, just practice a little and it's nothing

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by sinistral

Here are the specs on Sweetwater: Sweetwater—Martin HD-16R Adirondack

I think I was confusing the HD-16R with the D-16M. From what I can tell, the early HD-16Rs had M&T neck joints, and then switched to simple dovetail neck joints.

Thanks for the info; I appreciate the link.