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Does anyone use a Turbine HVLP Spray system?
I've been trying to get better at spraying. I'm currently trying Crystalac Brite Tone which seems like the first waterborne finish that really looks good.
It behaves well, but being waterborne, it still lacks some of the ease of use that makes nitro more forgiving to spray. I started spraying the Crystalac Brite Tone with a medium level touch up HVLP gun which makes very little overspray, but I wasn't getting good flowout, so I switched to an older, first generation HVLP conversion gun that's basically an automotive gun. Even though it was marketed as HVLP, that gun makes a ton of overspray which makes a cloud and wastes material (Crystalac is great, but it's not cheap I've also had what appear to be issues with contaminated air from my compressor. So- I'm thinking about making the jump to an HVLP turbine system that's dedicated to spraying, hopefully eliminating the air source as a problem and performing as a true HVLP sprayer. I'd be interested in comments who has used an HVLP turbine system for spraying guitars. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who uses a turbine system with waterborne coatings. Thanks for any wisdom. |
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I use a Fuji three-stage turbine with its HVLP full-size gun. If memory serves me right, fitted with a #2 needle.
It's different than a traditional compressor HPLV system but works ok. You don't have oil contamination issues and don't need oil or water traps. The handle of the HVLP gun does get pretty warm, though, and the thick not very flexible hose requires "management", usually throwing it over my shoulder while spraying. Not near.y the over spray issues as a traditional system. Still need adequate ventilation and a proper mask. I've sprayed a variety of waterborne "lacquers" with it. It works ok. |
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Funnily enough, I'm not having much luck with my attempts to use Crystalac Brite Tone. It seems to spray nicely enough but i just haven't been able to get results i'm happy with.
Almost everyone I know who also does spraying is a cabinet maker. They are all telling me i'm wasting my time with the Brite Tone and should switch to PU or DD acrylic. They are all getting great results so its something i'm considering but I still have half of a pot of Brite Tone left so i may yet attempt to use it in further testing (as you say, its not cheap) unfortunately though I don't have any experience with HVLP turbine systems
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I used Brite Tone pore filler. I found it very slow to fill pores, requiring three or more applications to fill the pores in padauk and mahogany. It scrapes nicely, but clogs abrasive paper/cloth hopelessly.
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David, I’m just starting with Brite Tone and I’m curious to hear from others before I invest more. What is it you didn’t like about the results? Also, what’s DD acrylic? |
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I have to apologise, DD Acrylic is apparently german phrasing. A brief search on google to actually come up with a decent explanation of what it is brings up that DD is "Desmodur® / Desmophen®" which is a registered trademark of the Bayer corporation for a Polyurethane based Polyether polyol (whatever that means) thermoplastic lacquer. It seems pretty toxic stuff, but it has exceptionally fast dry times, (like sandable in 20-30 minutes) and seems to gives that 'deep' look on the cabinets i've seen my friends do.
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The sample with the Crystalac Sanding Sealer created a lot of contrast in the grain, but it didn't create any chatoyance and looks kind of lifeless. The sample with the tung oil/shellac/Brite Tone looks better. At this stage, it doesn't look quite as deep as nitro, but I haven't polished it out yet, so we'll see. Brite Tone is still the best WB I've seen to this point and I'm committed to finding an alternative to volatile finishes for health and safety. |
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I sprayed quite a bit a few waterborne finishes of different makes on guitars,
though not recently; Crystalac was one of the better ones, at the time, though formulas often change. I got the best results with a large compressor setup and a Binks gun (sorry, I don't remember the model). Before that I used a turbine setup that didn't have quite the "oomph" for really good flowout, though it was adequate. My impression is that flowout is always a problem with WB finishes, and I tended to put on coats that were a little heavier than ideal for that reason. It's not like putting down nitro, for sure. One thing you might consider is doing some test panels in your preferred WB finish and having a look at them in raking light, esp mornings, and seeing if you are able to get the appearance that you're looking for, especially on darker woods if you use them. I agree that a shellac sealer/base coat does help a bit. Last edited by Carey; 09-18-2019 at 08:05 PM. |