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Old 05-29-2021, 03:55 PM
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I am getting more serious about actually pulling the trigger on a crossover guitar. Iím looking a price point of around $2000. A Goodall would be my choice but that ainít happening. For my purposes Iíve narrowed it down to a Kenny Hill New World Player Fingerstyle and a Furch Crossover.. I donít have the option of playing either before I buy one.

I am probably leaning towards the Furch but I have concerns about the 1 3/4 inch nut. As background I had an Applegate crossover for several years. It had a 2 in nut and I never got to the point where I could easily transition back and forth between that and the 1 3/4 inch on my steel strings. I always had an issue accurately hitting the B and E strings with my little finger. I donít have the longest of fingers.

My concern is that with 1 3/4 inch with nylon strings I will have problems cleanly fingering the treble strings. I Ďthinkí the 1 7/8 inch nut on the Hill would not offer the same potential problem.

Any thoughts?

Jack
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Old 05-29-2021, 05:19 PM
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Jay;

I've always preferred the 1 7/8" nut width. I purchased a Rainsong parlor nylon strung guitar with the 1 3/4" nut width and found that I adapted and became a bit more precise in my play. But I still prefer the 1 7/8".
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Old 05-29-2021, 08:24 PM
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My Cordoba Orchestra Fusion is 1-7/8" and I wouldn't want to go any narrower on nylon strings.
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Old 05-29-2021, 09:15 PM
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My Cordoba Orchestra Fusion is 1-7/8" and I wouldn't want to go any narrower on nylon strings.
I sold my Fusion because the string spacing was too narrow.
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Old 05-30-2021, 03:02 AM
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I am getting more serious about actually pulling the trigger on a crossover guitar. Iím looking a price point of around $2000. A Goodall would be my choice but that ainít happening. For my purposes Iíve narrowed it down to a Kenny Hill New World Player Fingerstyle and a Furch Crossover.. I donít have the option of playing either before I buy one.

I am probably leaning towards the Furch but I have concerns about the 1 3/4 inch nut. As background I had an Applegate crossover for several years. It had a 2 in nut and I never got to the point where I could easily transition back and forth between that and the 1 3/4 inch on my steel strings. I always had an issue accurately hitting the B and E strings with my little finger. I donít have the longest of fingers.

My concern is that with 1 3/4 inch with nylon strings I will have problems cleanly fingering the treble strings. I Ďthinkí the 1 7/8 inch nut on the Hill would not offer the same potential problem.

Any thoughts?

Jack

Jack,

Have you thought about going through a local Furch dealer to inquire about a 48 mm nut instead of their standard 45mm?
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Old 05-30-2021, 06:36 AM
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Jack,

Have you thought about going through a local Furch dealer to inquire about a 48 mm nut instead of their standard 45mm?
Iíve thought about it but there are no Furch dealers in Oregon or Washington.

Jack
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Well, shoot.
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:28 PM
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I have a Cordoba fusion (1 7/8), if it was any narrower I would be concerned about pushing one or other of the E strings off the fretboard at times. In fairness my left index finger is 1/4Ē shorter than nature intended, so that may not be a universal problem.
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:57 PM
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I purchased a Kremona Sophia crossover with the 1 7/8" nut width and it is on the money as far as ease of play as well as sound and constriction quality.
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:08 PM
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My subconscious has learned over time to switch effortlessly all the way from 1&11/16 to 2 inch, rarely with bobble for a minute or two. Probably yours can to.

Thinner treble strings may help also. I have discovered two kinds recently: Thomastik-Infeld offers flat wound treble sets that are very narrow and very bright, almost as much so as steel trebles but with very low tension (distributed by (John Pearse) - and D'Addario 'carbon' treble sets that sound more like nylon ones but less plasticky, also bright and low tension. Both are easy to depress with the pinky and have improved my technique. I'm not going back.

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I'm kind of shocked that any quality builder would produce a nylon string instrument with a 1 3/4 nut width.

I can't play a 1 7/8 crossover cleanly - there would just be NO room for my short stubby fingers!

Several times when I've received a standard 52mm nut classical I've had a new nut cut with wider spacing as the original felt too cramped.

But, that's just me
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Old 06-05-2021, 08:33 PM
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I would also avoid the 1 3/4" nut. That's fine for steel strings, but I would find that too tight for nylon. My fingers aren't too fat either.

I wish I had something to say about the Player series guitar, but I've never played one. Bought both of my Hill's off reverb, and I'm happy with them.
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Well, Iíve ordered what is a custom built Furch GNC-4DR. It will have a redwood top rather than Cedar or Spruce. Iím pretty excited. Will see if the nut size is a problem for me. Iíll post my experience.

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