CBD For inflammation

[tbeltrans]

Originally Posted by Talk2Me

Marijuana does not equal CBD. Marijuana is a plant that (usually) contains CBD. Yes, marijuana is at the time of this writing still a Federal Schedule 1 substance. Illegal for any and all purposes at the Federal level and therefore, obviously, on Federal property including VA, airports, military bases etc, etc.

The Feds are currently talking about moving it to Schedule 3 which would be a life changer for millions. https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/...hedule-3-drug/ Never say never.

Yes, I understand the difference. There was quite an article in Minnesota Magazine a couple of months ago (prior to the legalization date) that attempted to explain it. I would not have known the difference otherwise. From what I understand of that article, CBD is prevalent in hemp with much lower concentration of THC and the opposite for marijuana. The article further explained that CBD is useful for relaxation and as a sleep aid as well as pain reduction, while THC is the psychedelic. However, the article explained that there is a blurring of lines on this, so it isn't "black and white".

From reading posts here, it seems that, at least in some cases, CBD along with THC can be more effective than either alone if pain relief is the intent.

Anyway, it is all interesting to me, and thanks for the explanation.

Edit: Curiously rereading my previous post, I didn't mention CBD in the post you quoted, so I didn't make any statement equating CBD with marijuana. There are posts in this thread referencing both substances, so I assumed that both were under discussion. I don't recall CBD having to be specifically made legal in my state, but first we had medical marijuana legalized and then marijuana, so I was talking about the legal aspect of marijuana, not CBD.

Tony

[Talk2Me]

Originally Posted by tbeltrans

Yes, I understand the difference. There was quite an article in Minnesota Magazine a couple of months ago (prior to the legalization date) that attempted to explain it. I would not have known the difference otherwise. From what I understand of that article, CBD is prevalent in hemp with much lower concentration of THC and the opposite for marijuana. The article further explained that CBD is useful for relaxation and as a sleep aid as well as pain reduction, while THC is the psychedelic. However, the article explained that there is a blurring of lines on this, so it isn't "black and white".

From reading posts here, it seems that, at least in some cases, CBD along with THC can be more effective than either alone if pain relief is the intent.

Anyway, it is all interesting to me, and thanks for the explanation.

Edit: Curiously rereading my previous post, I didn't mention CBD in the post you quoted, so I didn't make any statement equating CBD with marijuana. There are posts in this thread referencing both substances, so I assumed that both were under discussion. I don't recall CBD having to be specifically made legal in my state, but first we had medical marijuana legalized and then marijuana, so I was talking about the legal aspect of marijuana, not CBD.

Tony

Wow...so much MISinformation here it's hard to address it all. Marijuana IS hemp IS cannabis. Same plant, different names. In general the hemp was grown from the reduced THC content plants (mainly for textile use) but almost all cannabis plants have BOTH THC and CBD unless it was bred out (or increased as in many strains for greater effect). NEITHER have "psychedelic" properties though THC does produce a mental effect while CBD does not.

Finally, my post post you quoted was specifically discussing CBD as was the page it linked to so no, we were still only discussing CBD at that point. It matters not though as almost half the States have legalized both at this juncture. This thread though was all about CBD use and marijuana was not really in the discussion much and so I was simply attempting to redirect back on topic.

[tbeltrans]

Originally Posted by Talk2Me

Wow...so much MISinformation here it's hard to address it all. Marijuana IS hemp IS cannabis. Same plant, different names. In general the hemp was grown from the reduced THC content plants (mainly for textile use) but almost all cannabis plants have BOTH THC and CBD unless it was bred out (or increased as in many strains for greater effect). NEITHER have "psychedelic" properties though THC does produce a mental effect while CBD does not.

Finally, my post post you quoted was specifically discussing CBD as was the page it linked to so no, we were still only discussing CBD at that point. It matters not though as almost half the States have legalized both at this juncture. This thread though was all about CBD use and marijuana was not really in the discussion much and so I was simply attempting to redirect back on topic.

My apologies. Sorry to have gotten involved in this thread. Backing out now, but thanks for the information. You are correct. It is your thread and I shouldn't have stepped in it.

Tony

[Talk2Me]

Originally Posted by tbeltrans

My apologies. Sorry to have gotten involved in this thread. Backing out now, but thanks for the information. You are correct. It is your thread and I shouldn't have stepped in it.

Tony

Not my thread at all. Just answering your response to my post. Everyone is more than welcome to comment. I'm just trying to keep on topic and factual.

[tbeltrans]

Originally Posted by Talk2Me

Not my thread at all. Just answering your response to my post. Everyone is more than welcome to comment. I'm just trying to keep on topic and factual.

Thanks again for the information and we can let it go and move on. I learned some things and am willing to admit that. Maybe I should contact the magazine since that is where I got the information.

Tony

[buddyhu]

An update: I continue to experience some relief from some of my physical discomforts since I started using the product featured in the first post. While I haven't had such a dramatic shift as described by OP, it is certainly noticeable, and while there is always room to speculate whether this is a coincidence (because many pains seem to come and go for reasons that aren't understood) or the placebo effect, I am inclined to attribute it to the CBD supplement.

And a quick note about descriptions of "psychedelic" experience: any such experience is subjective, and if it is the result of taking some substance, it is very much dose dependent. I have had a handful of experiences that border on "psychedelic" when I have consumed alcohol (including the first time I drank any alcohol with friends when I was in my late teens...drank a lot more than I should have, had a terrible hangover the next day (and my parents grounded me for two weeks).

I remember reading an article that tried to classify various drugs as either psychedelic or not based on where molecules attache in the brain...and that article asserted that the psychoactive ingredients in marijuana are definitely not psychedelic when using such criteria.

And when I was working, i dealt with over a thousand alcoholics and addicts; I strongly doubt that any of those who had experience with the drugs that are more typically considered psychedelic would consider marijuana to be psychedelic.

I think folks sometimes use that term out of ignorance and/or fear...including folks who intend to write books or magazine articles that they intend to be "objective".

[tbeltrans]

I used the term "psychedelic" because that is what the article I referenced used to differentiate between CBD and THC. I wouldn't consider THC to necessarily be psychedelic either, though some might depending on their experience with it. Also, according to that article, both marijuana and hemp contain the CBD substance and THC, but the amounts would differ.

What I see around my area for health purposes are products containing CBD rather than THC, though both seem to be present in varying quantities. My state now regulates the amount of each that a given product can contain, based on what I was told at the shop near me that sells such products.

Tony

[Dirk Hofman]

The term I see used most frequently to differentiate THC and CBD is "psychoactive", as in "THC is the main psychoactive compound in marijuana", meaning that's the main compound which produces the "high".

https://www.webmd.com/pain-managemen...thc-difference

[tbeltrans]

Originally Posted by Dirk Hofman

The term I see used most frequently to differentiate THC and CBD is "psychoactive", as in "THC is the main psychoactive compound in marijuana", meaning that's the main compound which produces the "high".

https://www.webmd.com/pain-managemen...thc-difference

That really is a better word to describe it.

Tony

[hubcapsc]

Originally Posted by Dirk Hofman

The term I see used most frequently to differentiate THC and CBD is "psychoactive", as in "THC is the main psychoactive compound in marijuana", meaning that's the main compound which produces the "high".

https://www.webmd.com/pain-managemen...thc-difference

google up THCa ...

-Mike

[Dirk Hofman]

Originally Posted by hubcapsc

google up THCa ...

-Mike

OK...

"Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) is the most abundant non-psychoactive cannabinoid found in cannabis"

Can you expand on what I am looking for?

[Talk2Me]

Originally Posted by Dirk Hofman

OK...

"Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) is the most abundant non-psychoactive cannabinoid found in cannabis"

Can you expand on what I am looking for?

More info here on THCA (precursor chemical) than you'll most likely ever care to know:

https://hightimes.com/sponsored/thca-whats-the-hype/

[Dirk Hofman]

Originally Posted by Talk2Me

More info here on THCA (precursor chemical) than you'll most likely ever care to know:

https://hightimes.com/sponsored/thca-whats-the-hype/

I'm sure there's a lot to know, I just didn't really get why I was being asked to Google it! Me not getting it seems to be a more frequently occurring phenomenon, sadly.

[hubcapsc]

Originally Posted by Dirk Hofman

I'm sure there's a lot to know, I just didn't really get why I was being asked to Google it! Me not getting it seems to be a more frequently occurring phenomenon, sadly.

In a nutshell: in the 2018 federal Farm Bill that legalized hemp, hemp is defined
as any cannabis plant, or derivative thereof, that contains not more than 0.3 percent
delta-9 THC on a dry-weight basis.

Since 2018 the growers of "industrial hemp" have been refining their hemp into
beautiful fragrant non-psychoactive flowers that people smoke as if it were
marijuana. A recent trend has been to cultivate flowers packed with THCa
and less than 0.3 percent delta-9 THC. This is, the main-street-store-front-tax-paying
sellers claim, legal to sell in the most conservative anti-pot places in the USA
that you can imagine.

Most of the THCa in these flowers instantly turns into delta-9 THC at the strike
of a match.

High grade marijuana is defacto federally legal and being sold across the counter
all over the place, not just in Colorado and such...

The Farm Bill is redone every five years.

-Mike

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by hubcapsc

In a nutshell: in the 2018 federal Farm Bill that legalized hemp, hemp is defined
as any cannabis plant, or derivative thereof, that contains not more than 0.3 percent
delta-9 THC on a dry-weight basis.

Since 2018 the growers of "industrial hemp" have been refining their hemp into
beautiful fragrant non-psychoactive flowers that people smoke as if it were
marijuana. A recent trend has been to cultivate flowers packed with THCa
and less than 0.3 percent delta-9 THC. This is, the main-street-store-front-tax-paying
sellers claim, legal to sell in the most conservative anti-pot places in the USA
that you can imagine.

Most of the THCa in these flowers instantly turns into delta-9 THC at the strike
of a match.

High grade marijuana is defacto federally legal and being sold across the counter
all over the place, not just in Colorado and such...

The Farm Bill is redone every five years.

-Mike

A good summary of my understanding. I was curious about the stores and sales outside of "legal" states.

I changed my mindset and interests after being stuck with an injury far from home with a small prescription of opiates, diazepam and took the suggestion to go to a legal and lab tested store for what was promised to not have the negative aspects of those drugs and not able to drive the car with a clutch and broken knee. My mind was totally on the knee but then I realized two mornings of waking up with less other pain and none of the issues from the opiates.

It's my hangup want what is state lab tested regardless of compound.

Something else in mind was the stuff my wife was prescribed during cancer treatments for pain and nausea was all pretty bad or expensive stuff. IIRC, Zofran costs $ hundreds ($600+) for a bottle of 30. The bottle I got when stuck injured was $18.

It is time the all of us think differently for a bunch of reasons, and when I could I did not drive home under the influence of the opiate prescription or the 5:1 product I bought.

I remain seriously impressed with what that 5:1 product did against the opiates prescription and ibuprofen my innards didn't like including sleep. It was really hard to sleep well with a mix of broken bone, sprain and bruises.

It cost less than my co-pay for the prescriptions so I could not help but think big health care and Pharma might not like that.