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Old 09-22-2023, 07:05 AM
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Beyond basic features brought up, current vehicles have highly effective safety systems as part of the cost. Now we're in a new stage of that with even light trucks forced by competition to add AEB, and headlights added as a safety measure.

For perspective, a Subaru Outback has AWD, good fuel economy, top safety pick and you can get that with more features than any standard mid or full-sized 1972 wagon for around $29,000+. Adjusted for inflation that's less than a 1972 Ford Country Squire started.

You can't buy a new Jeep CJ like a 1970s model but adjusted for inflation a Roxor is less expensive and has a turbocharged diesel engine no Jeep then had.

When many complain about prices they seem to forget more than adjust for inflation. We have richness in both of product choices and product features that were not even options or possible.

In the meanwhile I'm happy to wake up not feeling any new toy syndrome or covetousness though we are in dealer queue for vehicles no one will own for a while.
Maybe adjustments for Inflation, are completely nonsensical and unnecessary?
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Old 09-22-2023, 08:21 AM
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Yes, they're less likely to burst into flames on impact. Having survived driving a 1970 Pinto, I'm very careful about safety in my old age!
Not "much" less likely really. After all, even the Pinto wasn't THAT bad. For those too young to be familiar with the story...

https://www.reifflawfirm.com/fords-f...aths-lawsuits/

A total of 27 people died. That may seem like a lot but think of the number of vehicles and passengers on the road.
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Old 09-22-2023, 09:06 AM
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I bought a '21 Jeep Wrangler Sahara. The car employs a Lot of plastic, and is very noisy at any speed over 35 mph. Dealer said could not fix, $55K? Off road custom shops said could make quieter for $3-5K. I wondered, after dropping $55K cash, why should I have to pony up another %5K to avoid Hearing Damage?
You bought a Jeep Wrangler and you were surprised by the road noise?

Not being critical but you don't buy a Jeep for a quiet ride.
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Old 09-22-2023, 09:12 AM
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Road noise is why we didnít buy a Tesla model Y. I agree, I expect a Jeep Wrangler to be noisy, but a Tesla? We couldnít even manage a full test drive due to how horribly loud it was.
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Crank windows were fun.

Kids these days don't know what they're missing...
My first car had 2 keys, one for the door locks, and another for the ignition.
And yes, crank windows too!
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Old 09-22-2023, 03:47 PM
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My first car had 2 keys, one for the door locks, and another for the ignition.
And yes, crank windows too!
Don't forget about the crank starter...
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Old 09-23-2023, 05:01 AM
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The price of used vehicles is deceptively attractive if youíre in the mood to sell and re-purchase a new one.
But sometimes, there are exceptions:

A 2016 Kia Optima with the same mileage and equipment as ours is currently listed on Carvana for $20,450.
That would be around $1000 less than what we paid for ours.
A new K5 (New name for the Optima) is listed at $26,000.
That would indicate a couple of things.
Our Optima has depreciated less than 10% in seven years.
A new one is only about 20% more than what we paid seven years ago or a little over 3% $$ increase per year.
Not bad.
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Old 09-23-2023, 06:40 AM
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Maybe adjustments for Inflation, are completely nonsensical and unnecessary?
It would be hard for me to think that way. Normalize and standardize are two of the concepts from school that have been important for just about forever.

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You bought a Jeep Wrangler and you were surprised by the road noise?

Not being critical but you don't buy a Jeep for a quiet ride.
But they are contradicting the recent trends in pricing. Other Jeep models have deep discounts and subsidized prices too.

https://jalopnik.com/nows-a-great-ti...bec-1850866730

I checked them out (plus other models) because an enthusiastic neighbor's does fit in a garage, have manual transmissions available, but they are not really pleasant against so many choices. After seeming crude and cheap against the competition it was hard to ignore the safety and quality ratings. A few SUV models 3 of our c suite execs lease or leased have been some close up reminders of SFQ too.

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Road noise is why we didnít buy a Tesla model Y. I agree, I expect a Jeep Wrangler to be noisy, but a Tesla? We couldnít even manage a full test drive due to how horribly loud it was.
They've added insulation but also just sound different for no engine and transmission making noise. The price is compelling but we still dislike center only console, find having to use software to adjust an air vent annoying, and their CEO even more annoying.

It will be SO interesting to watch the market head to toe - the increased competition, innovation, and it looks like some changes in product choices too. I read sedans in addition to minivans have regains popularity. Gen Z and metro areas with good planning are probably pressure against the prices and status quo.
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Old 09-23-2023, 07:31 AM
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I bought my Honda off the lot in 2019. It doesn't have GPS or an automatic tail gate. Those options added up to around $6,000. I didn't want them anyway as I keep my Vehicules until they drop, and those items are just more things to break. When you are paying cash, you look at $6,000 differently than a couple of extra dollars on the loan or lease.
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:06 AM
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And good luck finding ANY "affordable" car once the strike ends. If the CEOs of the major car companies simply dropped the price of their vehicles then they wouldn't have "billions in profits" for the Union to target. While they're at it those guys could stand to take some pay cuts too. Why are cars so expensive? Greed.
Why don't you just pay more? Greed.

Aren't people who buy new cars all rich anyway?

I'm kidding. I know rich people never think they're rich.
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Old 09-23-2023, 09:11 AM
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And good luck finding ANY "affordable" car once the strike ends. If the CEOs of the major car companies simply dropped the price of their vehicles then they wouldn't have "billions in profits" for the Union to target. While they're at it those guys could stand to take some pay cuts too. Why are cars so expensive? Greed.
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Why don't you just pay more? Greed.

Aren't people who buy new cars all rich anyway?

I'm kidding. I know rich people never think they're rich.
Competition and innovation will solve or sort this stuff out.

To start we have more choices than ever existed for most of my life. The biggest auto market in the world has good car makers now. We have a reliable aging fleet same time we get more and more choices for his this has been most of my life.

Our gen z kids and others will shape this stuff too. They might be the best since the WWII vets. The ones doing well are trending towards good education and profession choice.

Even being a boomer I realize I'm in the trend to change ownership ownership and use. I'm 10 years into renting more and use automobiles less.

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Old 09-23-2023, 10:08 AM
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You bought a Jeep Wrangler and you were surprised by the road noise?

Not being critical but you don't buy a Jeep for a quiet ride.
Not looking for a quiet ride. I think I've had 3 of them. Consistently louder as the models progressed in years. This one was pretty annoying. I've been driving a '97 Land Rover Defender since '96. It's silent compared to the post 2020 Wrangler's, but I hear your point loud and clear!
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My first car had 2 keys, one for the door locks, and another for the ignition.
And yes, crank windows too!
My land rover Defender has 3 keys: door, glovebox, and ignition, and crank windows, and an AM FM cd player between the seats that only works right when my dog steps on it in a certain way. "Old Times Good Times"
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Old 09-23-2023, 11:34 AM
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but I hear your point loud and clear!
I see what you did there. LOL
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Competition and innovation will solve or sort this stuff out.
That's going to be really nice for whoever is alive on this earth when that finally happens. I'm a little jealous, but I'm happy for them.
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