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took another stab at it. Still fighting boominess but maybe it will eq out. These are straight form the computer. Disabled the low cut. Tried like hell to avoid the sound hole. Used 3 different guitars.
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Another big improvement! Much better. Still getting this weird resonant bump on a few bass notes. It's most prevalent on the IV chord, I think you're capo II? So it's an F#, which is likely a resonant mode in the room you're in. You might enter your room dimensions into a mode calculator like this one:
http://www.mcsquared.com/modecalc.htm and see if you get a mode around F, F# or G. I hear it on all three guitars, in both channels. I'm guessing that's it, but I did a quick double check with my Zoom and a Martin OM-28 and hear no boom, even in my 11x12 untreated room. I shot a semi-selfie :-) trying to capture the guitar and mics, in case it helps to see my mic position. Mics here are 20 inches apart and 10 inches from the guitar. I'm hearing a reasonably natural sound from this.
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Thanks for the mic selfie Doug. Very informative. I would think at that close to the mics you would get alot of proximity effect, but your recording sample of the 2020's and Zoom sounds great.
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I sometimes go even closer. I'm not sure why you get so much more of a pronounced proximity effect. With the Martin, it's pretty natural, and not a lot of bass at all at this distance.
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Could be the ADK A6. If you go to www.recordinghacks.com you can compare the A6 frequency chart to the AT2020. I know we said not to pay attention to specs, but the A6 has alot more boost 800hz and lower. Something to keep in mind perhaps, though obviously the best thing to try a prospective mic for yourself.
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It does appear, if those charts are correct, that the AT has a bit of low end rolloff, tho they describe the ADK has having one in the text, even tho the cart seems to show a bump. But I also don't generally have bass issues with any of the mics I use. The Schoeps are quite flat, for example, I don't think there's any rolloff with those within the range we're interested in.
In this thread, the issue is a bit different, I don't think we're hearing proximity effect or a bass bump in the mic. Up till the last recording posted, there was very little bass to speak of, yet you can still hear a resonant peak on some bass notes. It could be the guitar - a "wolf note" - but we hear it on all guitars. So I suspect room acoustics.
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Ok and the continues. These were recorded the other day but ive been busy. This was done in a approx 16 x 16 room. Some absorbers on the wall. As you know ive been trying to different things to get a better recording and a better grasp on recording. I did two different lengths this time. Ive noticed the bass gets less wild if Im using a thumb pick.
If my levels are too high please let me know. Im still trying to get a feel for what levels to shoot for I typically do everything low. Guitar 00028EC, Mics 24 inches apart. 10 inches from guitar. Guitrar00028EC, Mics 24 inches apart. 18 inches from guitar |
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Im traveling, and am only able to listen over ear buds. It sounds ok to me, but its hard to be sure.
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Safe travels Doug.
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Finally had a chance to listen to this. Again, more progress! I don't hear the weird resonant bass notes anymore (maybe a little, but mostly gone). Levels seem good.
But there's still something odd going on. The sound seems a bit compressed, and is distorted in a few places. Is this the raw audio out of the zoom? Do you have compression enabled on the Zoom? There's an overall fuzziness that shouldn't be there. I'd expect some of this indistinct sound if you were using the internal Zoom mics (actually, even they should sound better than this), but your TLM 102's should sound much better.
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on a serious note the comp limiter was off on the zoom. I ran the 1176N compressor during post though. I'll put the file straight from the recorder on dropbox. |
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I just sent you a quick recording using my Zoom, Martin OM, and the AT2020's still set up like that photo. Not sure if it will help, and it's in no way a fabulous recording, but maybe it will give you some sort of reference. Grasping at straws as to what to suggest.
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Just double checked everything. Phantom Power was on 48v.
I know room has a lot to do with it but Im sure im botching something in my setup. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |