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I'll give EQing both a shot today, but I think I'd be mostly trying to make the DPA sound more like the Lyric. One possibility is that the Martin OM is simply more to people's liking than my Taylor. It is a warmer guitar. Or maybe, if you're listening on computer speakers the bassiness of the DPA isn't coming thru? Quote:
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I've been trying to mount a Miniflex 2mic in my Larrivee 12 fret slopedread and the bass that the guitar produces naturally seems to overwhelm the pickup and has made mic placement in the guitar much dicier, millimeter to millemeter, and more obviously important. Pretty much any 'at performance level' audible floor monitor signal on a stage will set the combo feeding back on the low end. I'm running it through an external Focusrite instrument pre, EQ'd to fight the feedback. Interested in this Lyric and the DPA because I'm thinking that I ought to try another pickup in my Larrivee and use the Miniflex in a guitar that's more typically voiced. |
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ok I listened and I have an altec lansing speakers with sub woofer set up on a desk top. the DPA is way woofy. If I were to use this at chuirch with a band it woud be worthless. I can asure you there would be nasty feedback issues and not cut through the mix worth a darn. Also even though it is in a Martin which is warmer than the Taylor it still IMO does not sound like the guitar- way too much warmth and bass. I can assure you that if you were standing in front of Doug in the same room with him playing this would NOT be what you are hearing.
I could see the baggs as a stand alone unit and work in a band with maybe not much trickery to get it to work. I think Doug said the Taylor was a 914?? Well from my experience( and I am a Taylor fan) these models never trip my trigger. always a bit on the bright side. I find 814CEs much warmer sounding. The 900s just seems stiff and not as bass responsive. So in light of that I can really see the Lyric as been a bit more true to the actual guitar. One thing I have found even with so called tone snobs is the sound they get live even though they like it and can sound good is nothing like what the guitar actually sounds like standing in front of unplugged. they may think in there head it is but I have heard enough to say nope not even close! but still sounds good. For that matter even with a good studio mic it many times still does not sound like the guitar played right in front of you
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I put the DPA mic just inside the sound hole, clipped to the edge. Again, lots of details, if I recall, here: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=222529 I provided power to the DPA with the Raven Labs PMB-1 in this recording. I also use a Pendulum SPS-1 for the DPA, which I normally pair with another pickup. Lots of samples using it in different combinations on my pickup page.
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Doug one reason I like my ES in my 2010 816CE does what I want and sounds great. When one has dye hard blue grass players at a Christmas program comment on how nice my 816CE sounded through the mic and pa I told them it was not a mic but plugged in. That makes me smile.
I just got a Taylor GS mini and this new Lyic just might be what I am looking for for a pick up that is easy to install and does not intrude much on anything. I also have a Para Di ( which I use on my PRS P22 for the piezo into PA setting) that could work well with the Mini and the Lyric I think.
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As always, thanks for your efforts on all our behalfs (is that a word?)!!! I'm with you, I think the Lyric sounds a lot better than the DPA. I listened to the samples, and then kept reading, and went back to the sample again as everyone was raving about the DPA. I still think the Lyric is better. Jimmy
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One question is, after watching the Guitar World Bagg's interview and reading things here and there: Is this mic the exact same thing as what's in the anthem or is it tuned differently?
Another: Lloyd Baggs says some things about how the mic rejects reflected sound from around the inside of the guitar, so I assume that the mic is aimed toward the soundboard in its recommended mounting position. Cant think of a polar pattern that totally rejects sound from the sides and behind. Any idea if that's an accurate way of describing what this mic is doing? Count me as one who thinks the DPA sounds better than the Lyric in your comparison samples, but, as you said, different guitars (And I've never liked the Taylor sound). The Lyric has a blooming sound in the 250hz area that's bothering me. |
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"Is this mic the exact same thing as what's in the anthem or is it tuned differently?"
It's not the same; couldn't be, since the original didn't handle anything below about 250 Hz. According to the Baggs website, it is "the next step in Tru•Mic technology." So, it's based on the same design, but redesigned. |
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Here is Lloyd talking about the Lyric at NAMM. I got a laugh out of how Lloyd takes the mic from the interviewer and then just holds onto it for the rest of the interview lol.
http://youtu.be/ox1rt8mpX6M
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