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I have had the the QSC K8s since August. I have used them with excellent results for acoustic guitar, amplifying percussion, and voice, using a Mackie mixer and now an Alesis iMulitMix. They are excellent. Depending on the room, I sometimes have engaged the bass boost and WOW, great bottom on these things. I have had Mackie powered speakers before the BOSE arrived on the scene and I ditched the old setup and My Mackies were no comparison, IMHO. First of all, the lightweight package, portability and versatility as well as the excellent sound dispersion of the K8s wins hands down. No slight to Mackie, they are the standard to judge powered speakers since they are so widely used.
I have heard Doyle Dykes play through K8s and powered subs, and Vickie Genfan play through K10s and the sound was stellar. I recently attended a Taylor Road Show where the only speakers were K10s and the guitars were mic'd so the clinicians could switch to different guitars. Again, stellar sound. I personally did not find the difference between the K8 and its bigger brothers to be that noticeable for the kind of smaller to medium venues I am playing. Now, saying all of that, I did not do a line by line comparison of their stats with the new Mackie 450s. I only know what I hear. Also, my regular setup is simply a SoloAmp and I use a K8 for extension and fill when needed. I also can set up the SA in the middle like a monitor behind me and run the K8s out to the wings. I love these things! I did an iPod DJ for a joint birthday party for my daughter and a friend in September and the QSC K8s more than filled a huge indoor soccer/athletic arena with great sound. I would have no problem in a small venue, with a mixer and only 1 K8 on a stand. A great coffee house set up with excellent coverage of the tonal spectrum. I primarily play T5s, and for those of you with T5 experience you know it is a different animal. The K8 captures the T5 tone very well. i also find my 614ce to be plug and play (ES onboard) as well. So that is my real experience with the K8s and I hope that it may help. No slight intended for Mackie users. I have heard 450s sound very good. I simply prefer the portability and overall clarity of the K8. Ecxcellent headroom too. Just too many cool tools out there, thank goodness. davidc |
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Even more to think about. geokie8
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Here are two systems that are down 3 dB at 57 Hz suggesting a bass response suited to the baritone Taylor. They currently cost $400 and $380 respectively.
http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...product=AG100D http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...?product=LM12A |
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I was disappointed when I heard the SRM350V2s. Perhaps its because of the high F3 for a 10 incher. 83 Hz? That sounds very high. The JBL Eon 510 has a F3 of 70Hz which is what I would have expected out of a 10". But then again, the -10 dB point of the SRM350V2 is only 3 dB higher than the Eon 510 so the roll off on the SRM350V2 is not as steep (at least to where the -10 dB is). Gordon |
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Regards, SpruceTop
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Well like I said, Myself and many others think otherwise. Glad you like them though, as you should be happy with a product you use. I've gotten a decent sound out of them myself but a comparable Yorkville, QSC, EV, or JBL does a much better job representing Acoustic and most live music. The mackies are good DJ boxes though because of their pronounced bass. To each his own. |
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Thanks for setting me straight on my Mackie SRM450 speakers. Frankly, I don't know what I ever heard or saw in them! I now look at them as the junk they really are! Okay, given that Mackie is the bottom-feeder brand of the portable-powered-speaker food chain, what would you recommend me or others buy as an excellent less-than-50 lbs portable-powered speaker? Being that you're a highly experienced engineer in live and studio sound or recording (you didn't specify which or what) it would be stupid for any of us to not hear what you have to say on the matter. Thanks for any personal choices you want to share with us! Regards, SpruceTop
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SpruceTop, I wouldn't necessarily call the Mackies "junk". There's a lot of guys out there, who are getting fine performance out of those boxes,,,, as long as they're properly EQ'd etc. That said, I am not at all a Mackie fan. You couldn't sell me a piece of Mackir gear, but that point-of-view is totally related to the dependability, reliability issues, as well as the virtually non-existant after-sales service. A pro-sound guy, just can't afford to be out of commision for weeks or months, waiting for repairs, or, have a show come to a dead stop because of thermalling issues, etc. I completely agree with the brands seventykg has recommended, in particular, the Yorkvilles and Ev's. I'm also quite certain the the QSC HPR series are excellent performers. The Yorkville boxes enjoy an enviable reputation for bullet-proof reliability, and after-sales service is stellar to say the least. Bob |
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Sventvkg more or less felt that Mackies suck, and he's highly experienced, therefore he must be right? Right? I've had EV, Bose, JBL, Whirlwind, and Peavey loudspeakers in the past and they all performed well. None of them were the powered speakers that are a fairly new arrival to the market. I really like my Mackies and think their tone is really good although it seems some folks don't. On any given day, in a blindfold test, I contend many speaker critics wouldn't know what they were listening to if several brands were included in the test. Regarding Mackie service, I have two Mackie DFX-12 mixing boards, one of which I bought for mixing a variety of recorded music sources and my mic for my Shady Grove Radio on-line radio station. The second one, I bought after buying my Mackie SRM450 speakers to complete a PA system. I thought the second board had a bit more power-supply hum in one channel compared to the other channel when listening up close to the loudspeakers. I sent an e-mail to Mackie and they sent the necessary print-out UPS labels back via e-mail for me to affix to the box and return it to them. They sent me another board that had the same hum characteristics as the first. Back it went. They sent me another board which was pretty much the same but I kept it because after listening to my first board that was used for my radio station, I realized this was the normal low-level hum for the board and that it is evident in any other brand of mixing board with an onboard power supply. It was me being an anal jerk about the whole matter. Mackie never said anything bad to me about my exchanges. They just kept sending me new boards. That ain't bad service in my book. In my current inventory, I have two Mackie SRM450 Active speakers, two SRM150 Active small speakers, two Mackie DFX-12 Mixers, one Mackie 802-VLZ3 compact mixer. None of these devices has given me any problems and I feel Mackie will give me great service if I should require it. I guess you could say I'm a Mackoid. Regards, SpruceTop P.S. Yorkville Rocks! After all it's a Canadian company so it has to be good stuff! I'm originally from Ottawa.
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Popularity rules in certain ways. What's popular gets discussed, purchased and used. Conversely, what's not popular gets discussed less, purchased less and used less.
I submit that popularity has no a priori link to quality. In other words, popularity does not necessarily mean quality. For example, an unpopular powered speaker for the application discussed in this thread (acoustic guitar w/ or w/o vocals) is the Schertler Pub 280 (or its smaller sibling the Schertler Side). These are wonderful powered speakers. |
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I was just wondering why the EV SxA100 is never mentioned in these powered speaker wars.
http://www.electrovoice.com/products/209.html I think EV has a pretty good rep, don't they?
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I guess Mackie will be going out of business soon based on feedback from folks in the know. A saddened but now wiser SpruceTop
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