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Old 05-07-2022, 03:02 PM
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Nice use of dynamics to frame the verses separately from the chorus parts. Subtle hi-hat intro. Restrained fills, almost Ringo-esque.

Besides choosing the instruments (kick, snare, hat, toms, etc.), there is the task of dialing in the tone and loudness of each hit, which of course drummers do with their touch. Lots to work on. Check in on me in a few months.

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I have been using EZ Drummer for several years. My son came over for a while and showed me some tricks and then I was off and running.

Something that I have found helpful.

First, whenever I can, I use the midi patterns that are played by real drummers. It takes a while to sort through them and find stuff that is useful. Most of what they provide is not useful.

I also learned how to read music for drummers. I have done some Beatles covers and used transcriptions from the book, Beatles, The Complete Scores.

Here's a link on how to read notation for drummers.

What I found is that laying out a single measure of Ringo's drumming is pretty easy. Once you have a measure done in midi, you can just copy the measures. The fill measures tend not to be all that difficult, either.

I hope this is helpful. Here's an illustration of one of my Beatle's covers:



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I think it's going to start with either one of the grooves in the library or perhaps tapping in a beat using my MIDI keyboard. For fine-tuning I'll be tweaking the MIDI notes graphically.
Definitely a learning curve here are a couple of examples

This first one is using Pro Tools bundled pattern drum sequencer BUT not only using a sparse pattern which changes but also triggering individual parts of the drum kit with my key board (in an attempt to not have it sound like a just another pattern drum machine) . And then routing the different elements Kick, Snare, Toms , Cymbals , etc. to separate track for separate processing for emphasis.

Obviously this is fairly abstract (avant guard if you will) tune , which was intentionally meant to not sound like the prototypical programed beats


This is a bit more typical where as you state I just keyed in the different parts drum parts from scratch ..

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I have been using EZ Drummer for several years. My son came over for a while and showed me some tricks and then I was off and running.

Something that I have found helpful.

First, whenever I can, I use the midi patterns that are played by real drummers. It takes a while to sort through them and find stuff that is useful. Most of what they provide is not useful.

I also learned how to read music for drummers. I have done some Beatles covers and used transcriptions from the book, Beatles, The Complete Scores.

Here's a link on how to read notation for drummers.

What I found is that laying out a single measure of Ringo's drumming is pretty easy. Once you have a measure done in midi, you can just copy the measures. The fill measures tend not to be all that difficult, either.

I hope this is helpful. Here's an illustration of one of my Beatle's covers:



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Glenn, I’ve been poring over your post. First, solid cover on Nowhere Man. I wish I could sing like you.

Next, the drum notation. Just yesterday I replied to the current guitar tab thread here that I never use tabs, but play entirely by ear. Well, that’s probably because I’ve had a guitar in my hands for 55 years. Now drums, on the other hand: it seems unrealistic that I can suddenly dream up and record good-sounding drum tracks for my songs! But drum notation could be a gateway to setting up MIDI parts in SD3. I’ll try to use it to support my learning curve.
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Definitely a learning curve here are a couple of examples

This first one is using Pro Tools bundled pattern drum sequencer BUT not only using a sparse pattern which changes but also triggering individual parts of the drum kit with my key board (in an attempt to not have it sound like a just another pattern drum machine) . And then routing the different elements Kick, Snare, Toms , Cymbals , etc. to separate track for separate processing for emphasis.

Obviously this is fairly abstract (avant guard if you will) tune , which was intentionally meant to not sound like the prototypical programed beats


This is a bit more typical where as you state I just keyed in the different parts drum parts from scratch ..

Thanks, Kev. This is what I’m looking to do. It brings to mind the first few years starting at 11 plucking the guitar on my lap with my thumbs. I hope my first successes with digital drums come a little faster.
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Hi BiJ,

In addition to other ideas offered here in this thread, I wanted to point out that many drum patterns used on most folk and country music are quite basic, very similar to the patterns used in the Beatles music.

Drum patterns can certainly be more complex, but many aren't. The benefit of this is that it doesn't have to be all that hard to get started with drums once you learn the basics.

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