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Old 03-28-2021, 06:47 PM
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I agree whole heartedly with this. Lots of trail and error in vocal mics -- the paper and specs don't even begin to tell the story. I'm finding I often sound better with a dynamic or ribbon than a condenser. I'm experimenting and getting more familiar with my own voice and how different mics respond to it. I'm starting understand what needs to be boosted or cut in certain situations with my voice and how the different types of mics all handle transients differently.

With my new found knowledge and experience, I'm willing to try to sing ideas that I've had for a while that I just couldn't make work before. Just trying to help my voice be all it can be... in the process, I'm even finding a thing or two I like about my voice in addition to all its flaws.
In my limited experience I think that a condenser mic probably works better for people with a much prettier voice than I have. The detailed and revealing nature of those microphones is probably a plus in those cases. Hey man, the right tool for the job. That's why at 66 you won't see me in a speedo at the beach either, wrong tool for the job. Ya I think I wore one of those briefly in the 70's along with disco shirts. Yikes. Bell bottoms were OK though, I think. LOL


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Wow, what a great thread. Two thoughts that came to me as I read it:

1. About the “we hate our recorded voices because we’re used to hearing them resonate in our head” thing: that makes sense as far as it goes, but it doesn’t explain why other people’s voices—which we also can’t hear resonating in our head—sound fine to us. I guess it’s just that we never hear those voices any other way, so we’re used to it. Which suggests that it’s really just the contrast that throws us. And this makes sense, because I find that after decades of recording my own voice, I’m no longer bothered by the sound of it—I may cringe at the flaws in the performance I’m playing back, but not at the sound of my voice anymore.

2. Bob’s wonderful post about his role when he’s behind the desk for a vocal session crystallized something for me that I’d never quite realized: the biggest challenge to recording yourself is that you’re recording alone. For anyone with even mild insecurity (i.e., anyone who’s ever tried to make any kind of art), this is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it’s psychologically easier, because you don’t have to overcome the fear of rejection or ridicule that strikes us whenever we step up to a microphone with other people listening. But on another level this makes the job much harder, because fighting through that fear is where we find the energy to really communicate emotionally with our voices. Recording a vocal alone is like revving a car in neutral. The resistance isn’t there, so it’s hard to access the power. Thinking about it this way is going to help me do better work. Thank you Bob!
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Wow, what a great thread. Two thoughts that came to me as I read it:

1. About the “we hate our recorded voices because we’re used to hearing them resonate in our head” thing: that makes sense as far as it goes, but it doesn’t explain why other people’s voices—which we also can’t hear resonating in our head—sound fine to us. I guess it’s just that we never hear those voices any other way, so we’re used to it. Which suggests that it’s really just the contrast that throws us. And this makes sense, because I find that after decades of recording my own voice, I’m no longer bothered by the sound of it—I may cringe at the flaws in the performance I’m playing back, but not at the sound of my voice anymore.

2. Bob’s wonderful post about his role when he’s behind the desk for a vocal session crystallized something for me that I’d never quite realized: the biggest challenge to recording yourself is that you’re recording alone. For anyone with even mild insecurity (i.e., anyone who’s ever tried to make any kind of art), this is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it’s psychologically easier, because you don’t have to overcome the fear of rejection or ridicule that strikes us whenever we step up to a microphone with other people listening. But on another level this makes the job much harder, because fighting through that fear is where we find the energy to really communicate emotionally with our voices. Recording a vocal alone is like revving a car in neutral. The resistance isn’t there, so it’s hard to access the power. Thinking about it this way is going to help me do better work. Thank you Bob!
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Wow, what a great thread. Two thoughts that came to me as I read it:

1. About the “we hate our recorded voices because we’re used to hearing them resonate in our head” thing: that makes sense as far as it goes, but it doesn’t explain why other people’s voices—which we also can’t hear resonating in our head—sound fine to us. I guess it’s just that we never hear those voices any other way, so we’re used to it. Which suggests that it’s really just the contrast that throws us. And this makes sense, because I find that after decades of recording my own voice, I’m no longer bothered by the sound of it—I may cringe at the flaws in the performance I’m playing back, but not at the sound of my voice anymore.

2. Bob’s wonderful post about his role when he’s behind the desk for a vocal session crystallized something for me that I’d never quite realized: the biggest challenge to recording yourself is that you’re recording alone. For anyone with even mild insecurity (i.e., anyone who’s ever tried to make any kind of art), this is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it’s psychologically easier, because you don’t have to overcome the fear of rejection or ridicule that strikes us whenever we step up to a microphone with other people listening. But on another level this makes the job much harder, because fighting through that fear is where we find the energy to really communicate emotionally with our voices. Recording a vocal alone is like revving a car in neutral. The resistance isn’t there, so it’s hard to access the power. Thinking about it this way is going to help me do better work. Thank you Bob!
Excellent observations...

I like recording alone, in my own studio, on my own time. I probably don't know how limited I am, but I'm still okay with it.

The couple of times I recorded in a studio where someone else was in charge were actually good experiences for me, though these experiences occurred a long time ago. They happened on stuff that I was super prepared for, I did not feel intimidated although I was a little anxious about how it would go, and I ended up being pretty pleased by the sound. At that stage of my life I had never heard such great sounding equipment, so I sounded much better than I had ever sounded before. It was all a very nice surprise and a good experience.

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