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Old 10-08-2021, 01:04 PM
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Default Describe Koa tone

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Looking at a small builder koa/ bearclaw sitka I found.

Just curious as to others opinions.

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Old 10-08-2021, 01:39 PM
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Koa.......
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Old 10-08-2021, 02:01 PM
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I have to Koa b/s guitars by two very accomplished and highly regarded builders and the couldn't sound any more different if they tried.

Point being, there is NO consistency regarding the tone of Koa guitar, just like all other tonewoods.

If you can't play it in person, you're only possibility is to have the owner make a quick clip for you, but personally I don't give that much attention either - just too many variables.

Welcome to the world of the unknown tone....
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wv, koa varies a great deal from one guitar to another, but if you get a good set it’s very clear and balanced from bass to treble, very even-sounding. I’m primarily an accompaniment guitarist, and I like the way the notes are all balanced in the chords on koa guitars. No notes dominate any others.

Hope that makes sense.


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Old 10-08-2021, 02:10 PM
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Default Describe Koa tone

One word? ‘Undefinable.’ Like fitness1 I have several koa guitars and they are not very similar, tonally. I find this to be true of mahogany also. Sorry! I know it’s not the answer you want.
It’s an excellent, top notch tonewood and often ridiculously beautiful, but it’s tone will vary with the builder, the thickness, bracing, the log, and size. Here in Hawaii it’s been used for over a century, not just for its looks but also its tone. I have one that is a favorite and one that is underwhelming, tho both are beautiful. Good luck!
If forced to define it, it’s tonally similar to mahogany, especially as a top wood.
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Disappointing!
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Old 10-08-2021, 02:22 PM
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Check out the GS Mini shootout on Youtube and you can hear the Koa against three other tone woods. It is pretty interesting to hear the sonic differences. Of course as other have mentioned above, YMMV.
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I've seen it described as kind of a cross between Maple and Mahogany. I have two axes with Koa B&S and this is pretty close, but I would also say that the midrange is more 'upper-mid', very musical and more complex than either Maple or Mahogany, at least to my ear.

I tend to use my JCL DV-10k for open tunings, especially 'C' tunings. Very pianistic. Sounds great in DADGAD too, as does my '96 Taylor 412K.
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Think old Hawaiian ukulele, tropical weather, and hula, and that's what I hear.
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Old 10-08-2021, 08:36 PM
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My experience matches what maxtheaxe describes. I have two luthier-built Koa/Spruce guitars and they both have that tone.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wade Hampton View Post
wv, koa varies a great deal from one guitar to another, but if you get a good set it’s very clear and balanced from bass to treble, very even-sounding. I’m primarily an accompaniment guitarist, and I like the way the notes are all balanced in the chords on koa guitars. No notes dominate any others.

Hope that makes sense.


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I too have a fantastic Koa B/S OM from the boys and girls in Nazareth. Mine is very balanced. It handles finger picking and strumming equally well. Also light as a feather. I bought it for its beauty but I play it and keep it for how lovely it sounds. Very, very sweet.
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Old 10-08-2021, 09:23 PM
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I love Koa. Go for it but be prepared for the risk involved ordering from a boutique builder.
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Describe in one word? Between.

My OM-42K was my favourite Martin, with less of the richness of rosewood but something different to mahogany. I bought it because I liked the Martin sound, and the nuances that koa brought to the guitar

My koa Baranik 00 sounds completely different to the OM-42K . It’s a modern-sounding “pocket rocket”, amazingly powerful for such a small guitar. I bought it because I like the Baranik sound, and the nuances the koa brought to the guitar. Again, a woody tone, somewhere between rosewood and mahogany. The Baranik was a custom build and having done my homework prior to the build (play his guitars, and confirm there is consistency of tone and build quality) I was very satisfied with the outcome.

Summing up – it’s the builder that defines the sound. Once you like the builder, koa will sit your guitar somewhere between rosewood and mahogany. Also consider walnut and Tasmanian blackwood in this general space.
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Can only speak for my koa guitar, a 1991 Taylor 855c with top, back and sides of koa. Looks and sounds "beautiful". I love it!
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