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And arguably worth $5k -$8k of mic, pre, and interface upgrades BTW simple H shaped with feet, wood stands , are easy and cheap to make so Absorption panels can moveable and positioned like the booth TB was speaking about. And more like the Gobos, Brent mentioned. I'll snap some quick photos of the ones I made and post them shortly Here are the ones I made out of scrap Alder but they could easily be made out of 1X4 pine The panel sits on the horizontal piece (just below knot in photo) and I just use 2 inch Gold grabber screws that go through the stand into the 1X4 pine frame of the panel so the 4 ft hight of panel sits centered at about the level of my guitar while standing
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The part of room acoustics that gets confusing is that you can get lucky and not necessarily need treatment - what we need is for acceptable acoustics. I record my You Tube videos with a Zoom H6 in an untreated room, and that works well enough for You Tube. But most rooms need help, and my bare concrete-floor was a good example of a very bad case.
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I'm not doubting the expert advice here (I am an amateur at best) but didn't the engineer on Leo Kottke's "6 and 12 String Guitar" surround Leo with 4 heavy curtains in a box formation for the recording?
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It's possible but does not discount what is being said here . If curtains were used, it was likely in addition to a room that was already acoustically treated for bass and broad band absorption. Blankets, foam and heavy curtains, can help with zingy high frequencies, but do not do much for mid and lows
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"It was recorded at Empire Photo-Sound [in Minneapolis]. there was no studio; they hung up some sheets in a warehouse. I played inside the sheets." From: http://www.guitarmusic.org/kottke/gtlka3.html I seem to remember reading that they were more like curtains but that's probably just my memory. |
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The size of the space makes a difference too. If you're in a small room, with sound bouncing around and back to you quickly, a few sheets (or blankets) may not help nearly as much. In a large warehouse, where reflections have time to dissipate, some curtains or something may be just enough.
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I am in the process of making 5 60x60x10cm broadband panels..
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Recording is complex, and there's no absolutes, it's an art. Lots of old (and new...) recordings were made in less than scientifically perfect rooms - look at the old Motown studios. But what you do is listen to what you have, and then do what you need to do to get it to sound good. (using measurement software can speed up the process, but you can also just try things) You could be lucky and have a decent sounding room to start with. You could have a room that really only needs some sheets or blankets hung. It all depends. What worked in some studio somewhere may or may not work for Barry's garage.
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Moving blankets are not much use as an acoustic treatment. Owens Corning 703 is the better way to go. And by the way, moving blankets are often heavily treated with pesticides. If you're chemically sensitive they can cause respiratory irritation.
While I agree with Doug that whatever works and sounds good is perfectly OK there is nothing like recording a great room! |
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The talent show up to record. It's possible that what Leo remembers may not be an accurate description of what was in the space. But as has been pointed out already, larger spaces are often less problematic than smaller spaces where sound doesn't have as much distance to dissipate before coming back around and hitting the microphone.
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But it's even got me thinking I need to get some of those gobo panels. If I were Barry I wouldn't hesitate if his goal is to get the best possible recorded sound. It really is a no brainer. Great thread.
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Room dimensions are also very important. Around 1980 produced a recording session at the legendary old National Edison studio in NYC. It's a large room. The engineer could raise or lower the entire ceiling of the studio so as to tune the room. If cost is no object that's the way to roll!
OTOH most of us are using a spare room, a garage, an attic etc. and doing the best we can with bad room dimensions. When I began recording at home I spent thousands on gear but I kept getting lousy recordings until I spent about 1200 on RealTraps. I only bought 4 panels and they are free standing so that I can move them around. They get the job done. You can make your own pretty cheap but I was laid up sick at the time so I bought mine ready made. If I had started my home studio journey with the room treatment I would have saved a ton of money and time. It's the first thing I should have done. I'm not sure there is a perfect holy grail microphone for every voice but there are some rooms that are magic. I was blessed to work in a few. My fave studio memory was hanging out with Phil Spector's engineer during a surf band demo session at Gold Star. What a sound! He had some great stories |
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