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gimmickmeister whos claim to fame is he could strike strings with his teeth in the same breath as Atkins , Christian and Segovia??? btw Williams and Atkins are also great human beings, Wendell Last edited by Wendell123; 12-26-2013 at 12:31 PM. |
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What a hateful statement....
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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix Pavel Steidl plays "Hommage a Jimi Hendrix" by Carlo Domeniconi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqsLw_t7RLw Last edited by Dogsnax; 12-25-2013 at 02:14 PM. Reason: added video link |
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Segovia was a giant of his time, but I'm not sure I understand the comment that stated he was "the pioneer" of the classical guitar. Many came before him. Sor, Giuliani, Tarrega, Barrios, Carcassi, Carulli. Of course the earliest players only left us manuscripts, no CDs. Please explain this to me better.
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Were these guitarists you mention any good as players? Maybe they were very good but we don't know it, we only know what we have listened from Segovia and the others that followed him. Could Heitor Villa Lobos play his guitar works? Who knows? Lets not forget that he dedicated them to Andres Segovia. What I want to say that we mustn't confuse composition with actual playing. Last edited by Paikon; 12-25-2013 at 08:19 PM. |
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Barrios was a terrific player. There's at least one recording on YouTube
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Segovia was like the Bruce Lee of the Classical/Spanish Guitar. There were other players around of equal or greater mastery of the instrument in Spain reciting the works of the Masters. Some of these Masters (composers) back then were still alive. Segovia, of course, brought the guitar onto the world stage internationally to produce a force to be reckoned with. All of us can appreciate his collaborative efforts in producing the nylon strings that replaced the gut strings of the day. (Augustine) Maestro guitarista en 'el Jardin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrU
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Pioneers of the modern Classical Guitar
For me the real pioneers of the modern "classical guitar" (generic nomenclature here) are luthier Antonio Torres (1817-1892) and composer Francisco Tarrega (1852-1909).
I cite these two because most of the classical guitars built today still incorporate proportions, bracing and construction features developed by Torres as well as the pared down approach to inlay and decoration he practiced. Torres really is the father of the modern guitar in terms of guitar construction. Tarrega is to modern playing what Torres is to the luthier's art. He developed the idiomatic style which incorporates apoyando (rest stroke), glissandi and slides that function as ligados, and a host of hammer on and pull off effects that were considered at least gauche and even unacceptable in the classical period. Its just my opinion but I believe that without Torres and Tarrega we would never have had Segovia, Bream, Williams, or Russell. and that would have been tragic. |
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Not to get too far back in the subject, but is any of this about Segovia really news? He hated Spanish folk music, Flamenco and etcetera, so is it really a surprise he didn't like South American music? He insisted his students use his fingerings in Master Classes. That much is pretty much common knowledge. He insisted things be done this way.
John Williams putting it in a book doesn't suddenly make this news. Nick |
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I really can't and therefore won't say anything about the merits of Segovia's playing and interpretive abilities. As the previous posts collectively imply, this can be somewhat subjective. Obviously he was a master nevertheless. Most could only dream of playing guitar with a fraction of his ability.
What I do remember is when he had some televised master classes on PBS. It still stands out in my mind (some 40 years later) how he seemed to often berate some of his students. I know I've never responded well, learned well in such an environment. He seemed to create an environment, a mindset that encouraged that. I took classical lessons for a very brief time with a teacher (he preferred to be referred to as "professor,"--yeah, whatever) who had studied under Segovia. My stint with this "professor" was very brief as it was too difficult as a 17 year old boy to withstand the dark, dismissive, excessively critical and arrogant demeanor of this "professor." I suppose it might have been something he learned from his teacher...err, professor. |
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We purchased 5 CD's that night of his music and play one of the 5 almost daily. Here is the Capricho Arabe - Nylon Solo Guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_IyslZBfQg and the same song with steel string http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN4QwuX1eAY enjoy d |
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Hateful??? I don't see any hate by implying that Jimi Hendrix was a "showman" (gimmickmeister) of sorts. He knew how to get attention, of that there is no doubt, but lighting his guitar on fire is not the behavior I would expect from a professional musician. Hendrix seems to have a cult following, that will excuse anything he did, including the destruction of perfectly good guitars. I've heard Hendrix play, and Tommy E is a far superior guitarist, even though I don't much care for the music of either.
I do, however, totally agree with the quote that has been associated with Jimi Hendrix...and hope it is repeated often. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix Glen
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Hendrix was much more than a showman. Sure showmanship was a big part of his game but still he changed the course and direction of rock music and it's hard to argue that since he was influential on virtually every other electric guitar player that came after him that he was just a gimmickmiester. But comparing Hendrix to Segovia is apples and oranges. Both to their credit were largely influential on those who followed them but the style and technique are obviously way different. Could Segovia pull off distorted blues licks on a Fender Strat? Who knows?
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You and I are constantly in disagreement and on this topic (Hendrix), nothing has changed. Happy New Year and I look forward to disagreeing with you in 2014..... Fred Last edited by Dogsnax; 12-31-2013 at 11:06 AM. Reason: forgot to sign my name!!! |