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However, I would suggest that if you really want to make the distinction that classical guitar refers to the genre, then it is the threads that refer to other than classical music and repertoire that should be moved, not the discussion section that should be renamed. There is another section, General Acoustic Guitar Discussion, that appropriately covers acoustic guitars of any string type. So, if you really want to make the distinction you raise, move the threads, don't rename the discussion section. Leave this section for discussion of classical guitar and move the threads of discussion related to nylon string not related to the classical guitar repertoire, technique and genre to the general acoustic guitar section. |
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The description of the forum is "discussions related to classical And nylon stringed guitars".
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When I was much younger I was encouraged to study classical guitar which in a way I regret but now being older and more mature I love listening to classical guitar and have a desire to raise the bar on my playing so I spend a lot of time watching classical pieces on You Tube and attempting to improve through various means...fellow players...etc... The Ibanez is a cutaway....lighter and much easier on the fingers...I love it!
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In fact, in my knowledge and understanding of history of music and guitar building (and my history in guitar building takes me to Spain and links me with a builder whose guitars were played by Segovia and Bream, my history in learning the instrument includes lessons with some of the best classical teachers in Toronto and one of the founders of the Toronto guitar society - a tremendously influential group in "classical guitar"), the term "classical guitar" is relatively new - since the time of Segovia. Before Segovia, the guitar was called "Spanish" or "flamenco" guitar and wasn't considered a serious "classical" music instrument. So I agree whole heartedly with the OP that "Nylon string guitar" is a more appropriate descriptor for this forum subsection. That said, I am not so dogmatic and pedantic to chase the forum owners for a change to the title. But I do appreciate the OP's point.
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The time of Segovia is since the 1930s.
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Your post belongs in the Segovian Nomenclature subforum. Not to confuse.
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I'm not really sure what some of you all are getting at. Are you petitioning the owners of AGF to change the name of the section to nylon string instead of classical guitar?
That would be inaccurate. Much as one might argue otherwise, classical guitar is the broader term since there are guitars and other instruments in the class discussed in this forum that use or can be strung with gut, nylgut, or, more rarely, wire strings of certain gauges or combinations of nylon, gut, nylgut and wire strings. There is nearly a century of usage for guitars of this class called classical guitars and players of classical guitars, designated as such, using them for many different styles of jazz, folk, country, crossover, samba, whatever. Think Chet Atkins, Charlie Byrd, Yamandu Costa, Buster B Jones, Jerry Reed, John Knowles, Smokin Joe Robinson, Tommy Emmanuel, and many others. The instrument they have all played, and say they have played, when referring to such, is the classical guitar. Respect it. We can start with the Gibson Chet Atkins CEC - Which stands for Classical Electrical Guitar - and drill into it from there, moving on to the Sands custom electrical Classical guitars. I suspect that's why this section is called the Classical section. I think there should be a pretty good reason to change it. |
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1. The OP is fundamentally mistaken. There are still a majority of threads devoted to topics other than hybrid guitars per se including pure classical repertoire, classical guitar technique, guitar technique on classical guitars, guitar instruction, nylon/classical guitars in general and so on. A brief review of topic threads will confirm this. 2. The hybrid guitars are still called classical guitars, as evidenced by the Sands solid body electric cutaway guitars still being marketed as classical guitars, Gibson hybrid guitars sold as electric classical guitars, and other hybrid guitars marketed as classical or hybrid classical guitars. 3. Artists playing a variety of styles and guitars referring to the guitars they play as classical guitars. Time to close this up? |
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"Since the majority of threads on this forum seem to deal with crossover and/or hybrid style guitars, would it be more honesty and informative to call this section "Nylon" rather than the somewhat misleading "Classical"?" Um, nope. |
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I bet there are plenty of real classical guitar players here.
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My .019€
Well, I'm not a real classical player. In fact I'm a late fifth decade beginner with 16 months experience. I started with a steel string and I'm the happy owner of a new nylon Pono. (Yet again, than you ukejon for the exposure to this guitar). I could in no way contribute to the technical discussion going on here as any input of mine would be and should be summarily dismissed. However, considering my novice status, I can only say that a classification of "nylon" would be more intuitive and leave no question for users searching for information on any type of nylon string guitar.
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As to your points: 1) A brief review of page one of Classical reveals quite a range of topics beyond traditional "classical" guitars and music. 2) No, this is demonstrably inaccurate. In fact, you aren't even correct about Sands guitars, which on the main menu has two primary designations,"Nylon String Electric Guitars" and "Classic". Here is some additional information to consider: If the universal use of the term for a nylon string guitar is "classical" then why does Taylor use the category "Nylon" instead of "Classical" on their website and why is their N Series is called the "Nylon" Series? Or why does Breedlove describe their crossover as the "Pursuit Nylon"? Why does Martin call their crossover the "000C Nylon"? Why does Guild have the "Doyle Dykes Signature Nylon Cutaway Electric"? Why does Cordoba use the category "Nylon" instead of "Classical on their website? To the OP's observation, the prevalent word today is, in fact, "nylon" and not "classical". 3) This point probably can't be proven one way or the other. I play a crossover cutaway Pono guitar....not a classical guitar. And when I played a Godin Multiac that was not a classical guitar either. The OP's observation may be correct that the term "Nylon" would be a better and clearer fit for AGF's main page.
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