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You don't want to "over stretch" the string, as you will be going up and down the fretboard several times stretching different spots each time. If you use a heavy hand, you will have areas of the string that are over stretched and other areas that might not be stretched enough. Using a light touch reduces the chance of this occurring, and your strings will last a lot longer when stretched evenly over the entire string.
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And one should wonder, if winding from outside inward was a better way, does that would mean that professional classical guitarists are all doing it wrong??? Glen
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I like to wind the E strings towards the outside for a different reason - it seems to make more room for the A, D, G, and B strings. I'm not too concerned about the straightest path to the post. It's all good.... Fred |
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Fred, something I forgot to mention in my previous post...when the D & G strings are wound toward the inside, they often make contact with and rub against the wood on the slot in the peghead. This causes problems with the tuning and can cause unnecessary wear to the string that can damage the peghead or weaken the string, especially when there are too many winds on the post. That is because on most tuning posts, the hole is located right in the center of the post.
I might sound like a "classical snob" even though I am not. I use the "Taylor method" and they specifically state winding from the inside out. I do use a "trick" to anchor the treble strings, to prevent slippage, which I discovered long ago, which I have never seen demonstrated in any video, and if anyone is interested I'd be more than happy to share. I do admit to using that kind of information (improper string installations) to my advantage when I am sizing up a seller (when I negotiate the price of a used guitar), as it will occasionally get me a much better deal. Just sayin'... Glen
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The "professional classical guitars" bit is unsupported. Look at John Williams' "Echoes of Spain" cover. Not wound as you say. Dake Traphagen (a luthier rather than guitarist, since you mentioned proper cutting of nut slots) has guitars displayed on his site that are not wound as you suggest. Just two quick examples... Look, I don't care how you wind your strings. There's no reason to be so presumptious as to assert the rest of us are doing it incorrectly. |
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While I am well aware that everyone is free to develop their own techniques, as well as to draw their own conclusions from the banter that is exchanged here on the AGF. I am merely passing on information that I have collected over 50 years. If you, or anyone chooses to question the accuracy of my statements, I encourage that. If they choose to ignore my recommendations, that's fine too. I'm only the messenger, attempting to educate anyone who is interested in expanding their knowledge. On this thread, I am only interested in pointing out several possibilities why it might take longer for their strings to settle. The information I provide (while only my own opinions) has been corroborated by multiple sources, and the conclusions I have drawn and disseminate are from many hours of research. Glen
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Streching strings by hand can ruin intonation capabilities of the string by causing uneven stretching?
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Exactly, its the quickest way to ruin a strings intonation, yes the tuning will settle quicker but what good is that if the intonation is shot.
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If you can provide me with a supporting documents from a respected source for the claim, I'd be very interested. Glen
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Don't anybody mention "ball-end" nylon strings!?!?!?!
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You do know those are high-tension and will ruin a classical, don't you?
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