pick-up high end guitar.

[phcorrigan]

This:

http://jamesmayengineering.com/

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[ljguitar]

Originally Posted by Petty1818

That's the direction I am most likely head as well. The Tonedexter has been a bit difficult to train in terms of getting a great wavemap but I think once I get there, with a small amount of wavemap blended in, the K&K + TD will be about as good as it gets.

Hi Petty
I have not had problems getting very good wave maps…I'm using four fairly decent mics at three locations in a fairly dampened spot (not a lot of room reflection being picked up).

Hope you get yours tamed/dialed-in.

[guitarwebguy]

Hands down trance amulet, if I were getting another guitar ... hmmm maybe I should .... however, all of my gigging instruments have some kind of K&K and for me the solution to a more acoustic amplified sound has been the addition of a Tonedexter. Yes, it takes time and effort (and a good mic) but the payoff is tone I enjoy and one box (tonedexter) to take with me when I play ...

[Br1ck]

Dazzos six times over. I could not wait to get the K&Ks out of a guitar I bought that came with them.

[Petty1818]

Originally Posted by Br1ck

Dazzos six times over. I could not wait to get the K&Ks out of a guitar I bought that came with them.

I wish I loved a pickup system as much as you love the Dazzo! Lol

[Petty1818]

Originally Posted by ljguitar

Hi Petty
I have not had problems getting very good wave maps…I'm using four fairly decent mics at three locations in a fairly dampened spot (not a lot of room reflection being picked up).

Hope you get yours tamed/dialed-in.

I think it’s a matter of hooking up to my pa when I record so I can really check if a wavemap sounds good. I was running through my studio monitors and loved my wave maps and then when I tried them through my pa, they did not sound very good!

[Tico]

Originally Posted by bobbyg67

if money wasn't an issue, what pickup would you install in your go to main guitar? this is for gigging, live performance mainly solo. keeping that natural acoustic sound of course.

None.
I have around 8 high-end acoustics, for which I've bought only one tiny high-end clip-on condenser mic.
It takes only seconds to move it between my guitars.
No hole to drill, and no installation to pay for.

It's the Danish Professional Audio, DPA d:vote VO-4099-G.
Hand made in Denmark, it sounds exactly like the acoustic guitar.
I do mean Exactly.

It's $682, which is way cheaper than installing fine pickups in 8 guitars.
But buyer beware, the $469 price you'll see widely advertised does not include all the stuff you need for an acoustic guitar.

https://www.amazon.com/DPA-4099G-Sup.../dp/B00L9IPF66

[robj61]

Hey Tico. That looks very interesting. Have you played it live in a duo/trio situation? If so, any feedback issues? Thanks.

[Tico]

Solo, duo, and trio.

Feedback? Well, it is a mic, so it can't be as FB-resistant as a piezo under-saddle PU - but then it doesn't quack like piezos do.

Unlike being handcuffed to a mic stand, when it's clipped onto the guitar you can move freely around the stage.

It has less FB than most mics on a stand, partially since it always remains only a few inches from the soundboard.
Since sound falls off with distance this means you don't have to crank up the gain as much - which lowers FB.

Since it has a supercardioid (very highly-directional) pick up pattern it will pick up less of what's coming from the speakers to the side of you - again lowering FB.

Also I like to use a soundhole cover when I need higher volume without FB.

[SpruceTop]

Originally Posted by Tico

Solo, duo, and trio.

Feedback? Well, it is a mic, so it can't be as FB-resistant as a piezo under-saddle PU - but then it doesn't quack like piezos do.

Unlike being handcuffed to a mic stand, when it's clipped onto the guitar you can move freely around the stage.

It has less FB than most mics on a stand, partially since it always remains only a few inches from the soundboard.
Since sound falls off with distance this means you don't have to crank up the gain as much - which lowers FB.

Since it has a supercardioid (very highly-directional) pick up pattern it will pick up less of what's coming from the speakers to the side of you - again lowering FB.

Also I like to use a soundhole cover when I need higher volume without FB.

Tico, do you use your DPA 4099G with a wireless system? It seems this would be the way to go, especially when playing with other band members, so the cord doesn't get stepped on and disconnected or the mic itself gets ripped off the guitar. Thanks!

[robj61]

Originally Posted by Tico

Solo, duo, and trio.

Feedback? Well, it is a mic, so it can't be as FB-resistant as a piezo under-saddle PU - but then it doesn't quack like piezos do.

Unlike being handcuffed to a mic stand, when it's clipped onto the guitar you can move freely around the stage.

It has less FB than most mics on a stand, partially since it always remains only a few inches from the soundboard.
Since sound falls off with distance this means you don't have to crank up the gain as much - which lowers FB.

Since it has a supercardioid (very highly-directional) pick up pattern it will pick up less of what's coming from the speakers to the side of you - again lowering FB.

Also I like to use a soundhole cover when I need higher volume without FB.

With the sound hole cover on, do you have to make much compensation for the sound?

[Oregon Donor]

Tico--have you had problems with keeping the DPA4099 on your guitar? Reading accounts of folks struggling with that discouraged me from pursuing it further, but I reallllly like the idea of the unit, and the clips I've listened to sound great.

[Tico]

Originally Posted by SpruceTop

Tico, do you use your DPA 4099G with a wireless system? It seems this would be the way to go, especially when playing with other band members, so the cord doesn't get stepped on and disconnected or the mic itself gets ripped off the guitar. Thanks!

No, I almost always play sitting down.

It would be nice to go wireless though.
I've read DPA makes their kevlar mini cable with all of the connectors the wireless manufacturers use so you don't have to use a big clunky XLR or adaptor.

[Tico]

Originally Posted by robj61

With the sound hole cover on, do you have to make much compensation for the sound?

I usually use my DPA on my Guild D-55 or Martin HD-28.
I have not noticed tone change requiring EQ on those.
Perhaps it's different for other guitars.

[Tico]

Originally Posted by Oregon Donor

Tico--have you had problems with keeping the DPA4099 on your guitar? Reading accounts of folks struggling with that discouraged me from pursuing it further, but I reallllly like the idea of the unit, and the clips I've listened to sound great.

Yes, I do use a piece of that expensive genuine gaffer tape.
DPA's clip is good about not scratching the guitar but if you move around stage the grip does leave something to be desired especially if you are not wireless.

FWIW, my main guitars are 43 and 20 years old so the nitrocellulose lacquer is well cured and I've never noticed any reaction from the good tape.
Of course, I never leave the tape on any longer than necessary.

The sound of this little mic is so good, the tape is a small price I'm happy to pay.