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Old 08-26-2019, 12:30 AM
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It's the pickups. Raw, aggressive and clear with a beautiful chime. It sounds like a contradiction...but it's TRUE!

Not a Guns And Roses fan, but that guy is a player and he gets some killer tone out of his Gretsch's!
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:07 AM
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FWIW with a couple easy DIY mods - better-quality tubes, an optional speaker upgrade (the current Turbosound speaker is actually quite good - think Celestion without the sometimes-abrasive upper-mids) - you'll perk up some ears (and furrow some brows) among owners of higher-priced boutique gear. If you anticipate playing bigger houses/outdoor gigs, need more headroom for cleaner styles, or prefer the tone of the 50-watt Fender/Ampeg workhorse amps of the early/mid-60's (or the current Hot Rod DeVille), the V55 1x12" may be all the amp you'll ever need for only $50 more than its 22-watt stablemate; any one of these is an excellent match for a Gretsch, BTW - their natural response curve seems to complement the characteristic chime and twang - and I'd strongly recommend checking out one or more of them before making a final (and likely far more expensive) decision...[/LIST]
Given the choice between a new V55 Infinium and a used Fender Hot Rod Deville 60W 2x12 at about the same cost, which way would you go?
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:20 AM
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Given the choice between a new V55 Infinium and a used Fender Hot Rod Deville 60W 2x12 at about the same cost, which way would you go?
Tough choice - comparable power, similar features, and I've played both; I'd say it narrows down to whether you prefer the sonic "spread" of a 2x12" cab, need the compactness of a 1x12" for smaller stages, prefer vintage versus modern cosmetics (the Bugera draws heavily from both Egnater and Bad Cat), or find the tone stack of one or the other is a better match for your instrument/style (I'm also a Gretsch player and while there are definite differences, I don't consider one "better" than the other). There is, however, a real advantage in the Bugera's Infinium circuitry - tube changes are a plug-&-play proposition, whereas a bias job (around $100 in my neck of the woods) is required when you change tubes in the DeVille - so if you plan to do some experimenting with tubes (FYI there are tonal differences between different makes/vintages that knowledgeable players use to good advantage) or just want to save a few bucks in the long run, the V55 might be a good choice...
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Thanks! (I have to add stuff because the message was to short!)
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Old 08-27-2019, 11:38 PM
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T...the V55 might be a good choice...
Steve,

One more question: How does the V55 do as a relatively quiet practice amp?

I may be asking the impossible, but I'd like to buy one amp for both practice and playing out.

Thanks again.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:38 AM
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...How does the V55 do as a relatively quiet practice amp? I may be asking the impossible, but I'd like to buy one amp for both practice and playing out...
If you've never played a tube amp, be advised that 55 watts is a lot of power - we're talking 1000+ seat halls and outdoor gigs here - and while it's true that the late Les Paul used to play small clubs with a 100W silverface Twin (I've seen him do it) he was using low-impedance/low-power pickups to achieve a super-clean tone; considering he's the guy who arguably invented modern electric guitar I'd give him a pass here. For us lesser mortals, IME the V22 should be all you need in a dual-purpose amp - the multiple gain/volume control points allow you to achieve a full tone at virtually any level, and the pentode/triode switch not only shifts the amp into a different power range but provides a whole different set of sonic possibilities (loosely speaking, think mid-60's Fender/Ampeg "American" versus pre-Top Boost Vox "British"); as I said above I not only use mine for general at-home practice but also for halls up to 600-700 people with no problem, clean or dirty as you wish. FYI GC had it on the floor a couple days ago fir $349 brand-new - the street price when I bought mine back in 2010 - so if you're serious this might be a good time to do the deal...
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FYI GC had it on the floor a couple days ago fir $349 brand-new - the street price when I bought mine back in 2010 - so if you're serious this might be a good time to do the deal...
I'm ordering a V22. GC has them mis-priced on the web page, so as soon as that is fixed they're calling me back so I can order it for $399 less 15%.
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Looking forward to your NAD review when it arrives...
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Looking forward to your NAD review when it arrives...
I just ordered it today from GC. Their price is $50 too high, but their sister company, Musician's Friend has it priced at $398 with a 15% discount on top. I expect it on Oct. 5.

I plan to play with some tube changes fairly soon, and I've read good things about the JJ EL84s. Thoughts?
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...I plan to play with some tube changes fairly soon, and I've read good things about the JJ EL84s. Thoughts?
Here's the setup I've been using for the last eight years - never needed to change them, probably never will, and they're everything (and more) the reviews say they are:

https://www.thetubestore.com/bugera-v22-premium-package
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Here's the setup I've been using for the last eight years - never needed to change them, probably never will, and they're everything (and more) the reviews say they are:

https://www.thetubestore.com/bugera-v22-premium-package
A little rich for my pocket book, but I just ordered a matched pair of JJ EL84s and a matched trio of JJ 12AX7s.
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