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Old 04-05-2022, 09:55 AM
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If you are looking at vintage, I think most of us would pay more for a pre-1964 guitar than a 1966. A well done (nearly invisible) neck reset, or re-fret is expected. Even a well done bridge replacement may be expected. A b-string crack or very tight back or top crack that required a cleat or two is OK but will affect the value 25-30%.

The 1950's are now in the mid 4 figures to close to 5 figures in this crazy market, but the post 1964 guitars into the 1970s guitars are still inexpensive as a lot of people still think a current D-18A or PWGC D are better instruments. Both of those are at the $5,500 range (though I see adds for up to $7,000 which was retail).

I still preferred my D-28AA 1937 (sold for $5,850) to my excellent 1956 D-28 which I sold pre-pandemic for $8,500 and in this market would be worth $12.5K
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Old 04-05-2022, 10:24 AM
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Looked at Reverb but didn't see anything that would help with pricing.
You are paying the new D-18 price for an old guitar that has has issues.

Only you can decide if it is worth the asking price to you.
$3500 for a new D18…you sure about that…

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$3500 for a new D18…you sure about that…

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guit...SABEgKtg_D_BwE
I guess I stated it wrong.
When you can get a new D-18 with warranty for less than an old repaired one,
it would be hard for me to buy the old one.
And you can pay well over $3500.00 for a new D-18, depending on the model.
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At what point is a guitar no longer just old and becomes vintage?
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Old 04-05-2022, 11:32 AM
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Greetings All

Generally speaking, I'm wondering how repairs done to a vintage acoustic affects the value of the guitar. I understand the quality of the repairs would affect this. Specifically I am looking at a 1966 Martin D18 that has had a neck reset and some repaired top cracks. Seller has owned the guitar for 15 years, claims has low action and plenty of saddle. He's asking 3500 which seems pretty high to me. It's close by so no harm to go buy and strum it and maybe make an make an offer. Thoughts appreciated.
Hi Flipperz…
For me it would depend on the sound and playability of the instrument. I don't knock off points if there's a ding, repaired crack, or re-fret job.

Repairs bring instruments back to the level they were created for. And just because a guitar is old doesn't make it 'rare' nor 'vintage'.

Martin builds more than 70,000 guitars per year. Not all are the same model, size etc, but their customized models are probably worth the 'up-pricing'. I'd research then year/model and see if it warrants a higher price.

I love to dicker…but when something is worth the price, I'll pay for it.




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Thanks to all who have replied, seller has agreed to a price just under 3k and has all documentation of repairs. Think I might spring for it.��
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Old 05-21-2022, 08:50 AM
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When I see an older guitar for sale, evidence of a recent neck reset is a plus rather than a minus. It means that, for me, the most significant concern with a used instrument can be put to rest.
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:54 AM
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It is a huge deal for me how well the repairs were done. For example:

When they repaired the cracks, did they apply some "pyramid shaped" patches inside to reinforce the crasks? How much mass did this add to the top?

Are the cracks now closed? Can you see where the repaired cracks are?

Are their any visible signs of the neck reset? Sloppy work, such as messy glue spills or dirty hand prints on the inside? Who did the work?

For example, I woudl have not problem with repairs done by some known good repairman, for example Frank Ford, or Dan Earlewine. But if the repairs were done by some guy who fancies himself a luthier but does not know what he is doing, that is a different story.
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:59 AM
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An old guitar being brought back to full health by a reputable repairman would make it more attractive to me, not less.

All old guitars need something, and it would be reassuring to me to know that someone competent has assessed and addressed whatever that something is.
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Old 05-21-2022, 03:22 PM
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The sound of old wood makes these desirable. If you can't hear it, don't bother. If you can, no new guitar will do it for you. Personally, if it's a good D 18, not all are, I'd rather have one than a new D 18AA. A neck reset is a plus.
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The thing about that decade is you get aged woods, a full size neck, Brazilian rosewood bridge/fretboard and I believe full hide glue construction.
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Pulled the trigger today at 2700, many thanks for all the input!
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I think OP needs to articulate what he wants in a guitar. First one? Player? Collector? The answer is important to the discussion.

For example: A shiny new one is lots cheaper and the buyer starts out with zero defects, provided they inspect the very one they're buying at the dealer before striking a deal.
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Old 06-03-2022, 05:26 PM
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Pulled the trigger today at 2700, many thanks for all the input!
Nicely done.
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Old 06-03-2022, 05:48 PM
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I agree that $3500 is slightly on the high side for a 1966 D-18. Here is a similar one that was on Reverb at $3275. However, the seller may be leaving room for negotiation during selling. If the guitar is in very good shape, this should be a very nice guitar.

Regarding repairs, if they are done well, there should be no impact on price, except that a neck reset is worth about $800-$1000, often accompanied by a refret. So the neck reset could be a plus.

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Guys, read his latest post. He already bought it.
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