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Old 12-24-2018, 05:56 PM
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they're quite comfortable, and on sale at overstock... https://www.overstock.com/Home-Garde...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
Thanks very much. Just ordered one.
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Thanks very much. Just ordered one.
Nice -- kind of Eames-ish.
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Old 12-24-2018, 07:35 PM
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Thanks very much. Just ordered one.
everyone comments on how comfortable they are for playing guitar.
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:00 PM
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I don't think there's any extra hoop for the performer - most wouldn't know the difference between, say a vertical XY, and a MS setup. And I don't think MS is any more sensitive (or less) to movement than any other (except mono). Mathematically, MS is exactly the same stereo pattern as XY, so I'd say the same issues with movement occur no matter what the micing technique - but they are exacerbated by close micing. What I described as locking myself in place, basically by having a chair and a footstool, I do regardless of the micing technique. I don't like wearing headphones while recording, unless I'm overdubbing.



I do suspect that with spaced pairs there's at least a bit more of a visual guide, and observant guitarists will naturally try to keep themselves aligned to the mics, while an MS setup offers less of a visual cue. But I've had plenty of times recording others where we get the mics set up and by 2nd take I realize the player has managed to move dramatically out of the position we set up - even with spaced pairs.... Some people just can't sit still :-) I do feel better correcting the levels of a spaced-pair recording than an XY or MS if they end up being off because someone has moved - perhaps for no rational reason.


I知 about to purchase two CMC5 scheops kit mics. I thought about getting them both cardioid but, after watching your video. I知 thinking of getting 1 cardioid, and the other Omni. It値l be mostly used for acoustic guitar recording. I知 still not sure though.
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:13 PM
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I’m about to purchase two CMC5 scheops kit mics. I thought about getting them both cardioid but, after watching your video. I’m thinking of getting 1 cardioid, and the other Omni. It’ll be mostly used for acoustic guitar recording. I’m still not sure though.
For MS, you need a figure 8, not omni. The mid mic can be either cardiod or omni, tho it's usually cardiod. The side has to be a figure 8, which would be the MK8 capsule for schoeps. The nice thing is that you can easily add more capsules once you have the mic bodies. (Well, it's "easy", but the capsule's aren't cheap...) I have a pair of MK41s (hyper-cardiod), MK2s (omni), and MK8s (figure 8). With 2 MK8s, you can also do Blumlein. It's actually kind of cool to do MS with 2 figure 8's as you can set them up for XY/Blumlein, and then just rotate them 45 degrees and you have MS.
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everyone comments on how comfortable they are for playing guitar.
Interesting. I have one wooden stool that has the upward curved sides and I can't use it because the side of the guitar bumps into the right side.

Maybe these don't have that problem...
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Old 12-25-2018, 12:48 AM
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For MS, you need a figure 8, not omni. The mid mic can be either cardiod or omni, tho it's usually cardiod. The side has to be a figure 8, which would be the MK8 capsule for schoeps. The nice thing is that you can easily add more capsules once you have the mic bodies. (Well, it's "easy", but the capsule's aren't cheap...) I have a pair of MK41s (hyper-cardiod), MK2s (omni), and MK8s (figure 8). With 2 MK8s, you can also do Blumlein. It's actually kind of cool to do MS with 2 figure 8's as you can set them up for XY/Blumlein, and then just rotate them 45 degrees and you have MS.


Aha thanks for the info, I値l find out about the capsule for figure 8 after the holiday is over.
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Used this technique a couple months ago to finally get a recording I liked, thank you!
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:25 AM
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I bet these items used as a group would make a really nice M/S (along with other configs) set for reasonable money


http://www.oktava-shop.com/Small-and...-012-MSP2.html

http://www.oktava-shop.com/MK-012-10...m-capsule.html

http://www.oktava-shop.com/Microphon...-two-mics.html
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Thanks Doug! Your video got me into mid-side recording. It's a great technique!

Here's a tip for you. Get your hands on the new AEA KU5A ribbon microphone and try it as your mid mic. Use one of your N22s as your side mic. Pure ribbon stereo wonderfulness
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Thanks Doug! Your video got me into mid-side recording. It's a great technique!

Here's a tip for you. Get your hands on the new AEA KU5A ribbon microphone and try it as your mid mic. Use one of your N22s as your side mic. Pure ribbon stereo wonderfulness
Thanks, Al. That's definitely an intriguing mic. I take you have tried it on acoustic guitar?

I've used the R88 and also the Royer SF24 in MS, as well as the N22s, but a hypercardiod ribbon should be an interesting option.
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Used this technique a couple months ago to finally get a recording I liked, thank you!
Me too. Since this post m/s has been my main thing (using an AKG 414 for the sides and a 451 for the mid) for home recording of youtube and facebook videos. Years ago I tracked a tune for an album for someone with m/s and wasn't into the results, but I now think there were other reasons for that. I find m/s very easy and forgiving for getting good and consistent solo guitar recordings.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:33 AM
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Thanks, Al. That's definitely an intriguing mic. I take you have tried it on acoustic guitar?

I've used the R88 and also the Royer SF24 in MS, as well as the N22s, but a hypercardiod ribbon should be an interesting option.
Yes I used the KU5A as the mid mic and the N22 as the side mic. A rough recording of my little Waterloo acoustic guitar came out sounding BIG. Very dimensional yet with a solid center image. Good isolation from the room. Definitely worth a try!

By the way, Doug I recently had a conversation with Wes Dooley and I recommended your mid-side video tutorial as a starting point for mid-side newbies like me. I used your mic placement exactly and it just worked

So far I haven't found any hands-on reviews of the KU5A. I bought it on faith and I'm not disappointed. It's a brilliant choice for recording acoustic music in a small home studio. You get AEA ribbon microphone sound with the advantages of unidirectional pick up pattern.
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Well done Doug , very organized informative clear concise and easy to follow
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