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Old 06-12-2018, 10:33 AM
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You can compress without making the waveform a rectangle.
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You can compress without making the waveform a rectangle.
Approaching that shape would be more like a limiter rather than a lower compression ratio. However when you have peaks 15 and more
decibels above the average level you would expect to see something. However the waveform time line would need to be magnified compared
to what was posted to see better the details.
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Approaching that shape would be more like a limiter rather than a lower compression ratio.

Yep. And thatís why my response was this:

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Gotcha. Run your mix through a compressor/limiter to up the gain and your waveform will be a lot closer.

That track has almost certainly had some form of compression/limiting applied in the mastering process. Itís not just a matter of gaining it up.
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Yep. And that’s why my response was this:




That track has almost certainly had some form of compression/limiting applied in the mastering process. It’s not just a matter of gaining it up.
Compression, if use at all, was quite mild and not a player in why the two recordings sound so different.
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Ok.

Now I have to add more characters in order to post.
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You probably already know this, but other than your guitar, playing, room, I think the mics and especially mic placement will have the greatest impact on your recordings.

It can be time consuming but well worth the effort in IMO.
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This will be a challenge. Thanks everyone.
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I appreciate all that, too. Thanks, guys.
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Iíve just listened to the Al Petteway ďParting GlassĒ track two or three times. Itís an extraordinary recording (as well as extraordinary playing) and clearly has been professionally mastered. That recording is a great goal to set ones sights on to be sure. That track (and tone) rival some of the Tony McManus stuff I love so much.

Like the Tony McManus stuff (maybe not quite as much) there is a whole bunch of lower mid tonality. I love that sound where the highs seem to emerge from the mids. My absolute favorite acoustic guitar sound. In this case I suspect itís the player, guitar, room, mic and mic placement that accounts for the beefier ďlookĒ of the wave form although who knows without an a to b audio comparison. From there the sophistication of current mastering software could also play a role.

Either which way a beautiful recording.
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Barry, BTW your recording is virtually mono. So you either recorded XY or you panned (accidently?) R and L towards center. That will kill the sound right there.

The Petteway recording sound stage is spread out. I assume the Petteway recording was grabbed off of youtube. There is some distortion in his recording (for example at 7 seconds) (probably overs or perhaps something youtube did).
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Also..after listening a few more times itís interesting that the ďbodyĒ sound is a bit heavier (louder) than the ďneckĒ sound. Itís slightly off balance to me but somehow really cool as well. I do think that helps with the emerging highís from the mid feel.
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Barry, BTW your recording is virtually mono. So you either recorded XY or you panned (accidently?) R and L towards center. That will kill the sound right there.

The Petteway recording sound stage is spread out. I assume the Petteway recording was grabbed off of youtube. There is some distortion in his recording (for example at 7 seconds) (probably overs or perhaps something youtube did).
It seems to be the one off his CD to me. I hear what you're talking about at 7 seconds, but there's no over there, those notes are down 2 db. Might be something that got overdriven in intermediate stages. Definitely a wide sound-stage, sounds like spaced pairs to me. Al has no recording info on the CD.

Off-topic: Joseph, you seem to have good taste in guitar tone :-) With your recording expertise, I'm curious what solo guitar tracks you would vote as great examples? I have my favorites, but I'm always looking for good reference tracks. Any suggestions?
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It seems to be the one off his CD to me. I hear what you're talking about at 7 seconds, but there's no over there, those notes are down 2 db. Might be something that got overdriven in intermediate stages. Definitely a wide sound-stage, sounds like spaced pairs to me. Al has no recording info on the CD.
Something was over its limits so distortion from something. Could be at the mike preamp stage. Occurs at various places. Some of the treble notes have a bit of a harsh shimmer. However being quite picky. Very nice overall.
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It seems to be the one off his CD to me. I hear what you're talking about at 7 seconds, but there's no over there, those notes are down 2 db. Might be something that got overdriven in intermediate stages.

Is that actually distortion/saturation? It sounds like a weird dissonant interaction between two notes to me, but Iím sitting outside an airport listening on my iPhone earbuds. Itís definitely the kind of thing Iíd loop in logic and get all OCD on it, though.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:27 AM
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Is that actually distortion/saturation? It sounds like a weird dissonant interaction between two notes to me, but Iím sitting outside an airport listening on my iPhone earbuds. Itís definitely the kind of thing Iíd loop in logic and get all OCD on it, though.
Yeah, my first thought was that it was a guitar "growl" :-) I'd have never noticed it if rick didn't point it out tho.
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