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Let's be honest: there are a million places a piece of music can be folded* to mono. A couple quickly come to mind: you'd be amazed how many video editors don't understand the difference between stereo and mono. If it has two channels, many think that's enough. They'll import a music clip and the software breaks it from a single stereo track into two mono tracks. They'll often leave the two tracks panned to the center and export it. Instant mono. The same thing happens daily in broadcast facilities everywhere. You call 'em up:
Me: "Hey, this clip is mono!" Editor: "But it's on both channels!" Me: "But that's not stereo!" Editor: "Huh?" Bob * Folded, spindled, mutilated, etc.
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Everything we do is on a predetermined allotment of time. I've had OMFI files from editors in which I spent more time untangling their mess than mixing. |
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Joseph has it right - if it can be Osterized into an ugly mess, someone in the industry will find a way to do it. Because the whole production process lives on deadline there may not be time to undo it. If you aren't mono-compatible there's a chance it will have to air as-is. Simply making your mixes downward compatible is a good discipline and an investment in keeping control of your quality in your own hands. Bob
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and then each mono track was panned to center. That you can recover to the original stereo. Now you are saying the stereo track is summed to mono first. Of course in that case it does not make sense to export two mono tracks (which is just two of the same thing). Anyway this is somewhat tangent to topic of to how much you would alter your stereo sound in consideration of mono compatibility. I was also thinking of what an individual would do who has control of decisions from A to Z - i.e. most of us on the forum doing our own recording. If you have second, third, and fourth parties messing around with your work its get pretty vague as to what are the "correct" choices given what is coming later.
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Hey, the needle moves, it's OK. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Well (and I can't BELIEVE I'm doing this) in their defense the video guys and gals have no particular dog in the fight when it comes to audio and quite frankly at this level, with these workloads and the constant drum beat of a feed deadline, they honestly don't have much time to be too terribly concerned. The production flow here goes from video to the shows EP. From the EP it goes to legal. From legal it comes back to audio. So the editor really only needs to appease the EP and legal neither of which are concerned about stereo pans or mono audio. From there the editor gets to go home.
Of course for those very few here that might be interested, the industry (at least those around me) are taking a look at a different that general work flow. The recent hefty fine by the FCC for an audio department that used the "Emergency Broadcasting Test Tones" in a production sequence has legal departments all over town wondering what a audio department might inadvertently use as a sound bite that unfortunately ends up costing the show or the networks lots-o-dollars in fines. |