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I wouldn't call the way I do things a model for others. One odd things is that I use three different DAWs, and I am not anything like an expert in any of them.
I used a 4 track cassette Portastudio to start recording (well, that's not true, I first recorded stuff on a little battery powered cassette and it's plastic hand held mic in 1968). I'll skip a long story of all the intermediate steps and those other DAWs which I still use, but I started with Logic Pro just before Logic Pro X was introduced in 2013. I had become frustrated a few things about Avid Pro Tools' business model and Logic looked like a worthwhile alternative. One huge plus for me with Logic Pro was the huge value proposition with the included plugins. For someone doing only direct recording of acoustic instruments these valuable "included at no extra cost" features aren't as important, but even just the EQ/compression/reverb/time-based effects (chorus, Leslie simulation, echo and delay etc) are a great bonus. It's not mentioned, but even though I've collected a fair number of third part plugins to use over the years now, it's a whole lot simplier to have them all part of one $200 program without any extra steps to authorize or install them via the various "copy protection" schemes used by third parties. I learned Logic to the degree I've learned it in two ways. Way One is just to find the simplest way to record stuff, setup a template for same using my own input channels, and starting to record. I don't think it's harder than a cassette portastudio to use it that way. My most used template has seven tracks: a Logic Drummer track for when I want drums instead of just a click, two tracks for acoustic guitar mics, my vocal mic, a track for electric guitar, and electric bass, and straight DI track that I'll use for various things. When I sit down to record my acoustic guitar and vocal mics are already setup with appropriate levels, and only need minor adjustments. I decide what tempo I want if I'm recording to click or drums. I arm which tracks I want to record and monitor in headphones and hit record. I didn't need to learn Logic to do this, I was doing recordings in the first week of owning it, and I learn very little more about Logic as I continue to do that over the years. After recording I can apply EQ, compression, reverb, etc to the tracks to taste. Does it call for a bass track or a little electric? Overdub it by arming that track. In my weird workflow I export all the tracks to a folder after recording and mix in Adobe Audition, but that's just me, I'm sure Logic could do that part of things fine. I just am used to Audition. Way Two is to decide to use some random or semi-random feature and figure out you can do that in Logic. So for example, I might think how can put a string trio together? I look at the virtual instruments, learn how the various attack features (marcato, legato, etc) work, connect my MIDI guitar interface or little plastic keyboard. Start experimenting with parts. Eventually I have learned how to create a string trio. This may take a number of hours of exploring to create a 1 minute trio piece, but I've learned a way to do that. When desired by curiosity or composing need, I repeat that same sort of "let's explore" process for deciding to learn how to map the tempo of the project to a non-click track recording, or morph an acoustic guitar recording so it sounds like something different than an honest acoustic recording. This second way is like one usually learns to navigate around a new city. You don't usually get a street map and try to memorize the entire layout, or commit every street address to memory: you learn how to get to the grocery store, where the bank is, what parks are enjoyable as needed and build your "knowledge map". To learn about features beyond just playing with them or when stumped I'll use a web search or the books: Apple has three manuals for Logic X available in Apple Books or PDF format, and they've just been updated for the latest Logic X version this spring, and Nahmani's book is another source.
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I am guessing this not using templates is one factor in the notion that A DAW is somehow more complex, or problematic, or time consuming , to get to "recording" than a stand alone solution. I do understand that perhaps initial set up , learning the basic workflow, and then Key Command shortcuts, take some time to learn. But the reality is once set up and especially with the use of "templates" the difference in time, from turn on, to hit record, is marginal, and would consist of the computer boot time , DAW launch and template load times. But we are talking more in the realm of seconds to perhaps a minute or two
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I do plan to do a video (or series, depending on how long it ends up being) on recording acoustically with Logic - no synths... But before I get to that, would anyone be up for an interactive Zoom session where I go thru it with a screen share?
Sound quality on Zoom doesn't seem to be sufficient for a real recording session with mixing, but it'd be fine for showing how to get started, record a track or two, etc. People could ask questions, and chime in with where they're hitting bottlenecks. I suspect we'd only have a few people interested, which is fine, since it would allow more interaction Q&A and so on. It would help me understand what issues people are facing and hopefulyl make the eventual video tutorial more useful.
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Understanding that given I only record myself ( unlike a pro) I already have all the levels set on my hardware units . And I can also have my mics already on stands, in position, and plugged in and ready to record. So for me to get to recording . I literally only have to hit the power button on my power conditioner, press the computer and interface power buttons, click the PT icon in the desktop dock, Select and name the template, record arm the track/s and then hit record/play.
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But honestly for me for even for just a simple stereo guitar and mono vocal arrangement (and perhaps it is because I always have at least two guitar tracks L&R mono, and a vocal track, plus a stereo Aux/Bus track for the guitar, a stereo track for the Parallel Reverb , and a main stereo Aux/Bus track, as well as a Master Fader track ). So that's 6 tracks minimum plus the sends, and the routing, as well as a plugin EQ on each audio track, and and EQ on the reverb track all with the settings already done on a template. So it is still quite desirable for me anyway. Also I don't know about Logic but in PT you can definitely share a template. PT automatically tells you of any I/O mismatch, tells exactly what track numbers don't match, and what plugins don't match And then you can often quickly reconfigure the I/O matrix from the imported to fit your hardware or vise versa.
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Screen Shot 2020-06-09 at 12.32.49 PM.jpg and bam, I have three tracks, ready to go. Just click the red Record icon. Screen Shot 2020-06-09 at 12.36.32 PM.jpg
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Yes, I am an old dog. You know how that goes with new tricks, but I'd be willing to give it a try. Thanks, Jim
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A template wouldn't necessarily be about saving time, at least initially, but it could serve to be less intimidating as well as being consistent especially if the I/O is setup properly. I'd think a week working with a simple 4 or even 2 channel setup would help to demystify even if it's only saving a handful of steps. From there it'd serve as a building block for adding channels, aux returns, SFX and the like. Just a thought |
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Learn How to Use Logic Pro - Follow Doug Young's Leads
Aloha Tico, Doug & Friends,
NOTE: Sorry about my earlier bad "Jacob" review, Doug. I really like the way this thread is evolving. I love Doug's idea about creating a kind of clearing house for questions about creating templates & using a DAW to create guitar tracks. I think the reason why Tico & others looking at DAW's like Logic Pro or Pro Tools are so daunted by these complete, pro-level tools is that they simply don't have the time to get past the threshold or haven't established committment yet. With limited time, they choose playing over learning recording every time. Bravo - that's natural. But there is an easier approach for getting into Logic Pro - beyond the complex look of its imposing dashboard. Doug Young: "Yep, this describes me as well. Mics are always set up. Interface has phantom on, levels set. Click on the Logic icon, click on the template i have saved, click on Record. Play. This is what has me stumped about why this is hard. I don't see how it could be any faster or easier." If you want to create clear acoustic recordings or get into Logic Pro, then follow Doug Young's detailed advice & step-by-step video's RE: what your signal chain should be comprised of & all the other generous tips that have been provided by Doug for many years. You may not play as clearly & well as Doug, but you can record clearly & easily like Doug. He's made it easy for us. Don't get side tracked in trying your own way at first - especially when it comes to using a DAW like Logic Pro. Doug did the basic work for you & has generously shown us how to use Logic after recording with Zoom H-6 for the Basics. Here: https://acousticguitar.com/home-reco...oustic-guitar/ How simple is that? And if you get more advanced with better gear, this earlier DY clip will help take you farther into an earlier version of Logic Pro X & view mastering techniques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5kCVXyQDys Even with a different DAW, with a slightly different template requirement, Doug's techniques in Logic will at least get you into recording a track in the fewest number of steps in your workflow & how to "clarify" a track. And he demonstrates how to mix & finish your track with a few tips & suggestions. Great Advice! Thank you, Doug. I'm looking forward to your next video or book on this subject. Mahalo a nui, alohachris Last edited by alohachris; 06-09-2020 at 07:39 PM. |
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I think what I haven't done is a complete walk thru from the beginning, setting up the interface, tracking, overdubbing, editing, mixing, mastering, all in logic, and all in one video. But most of the pieces are there in those older videos, at least for solo guitar. I assume most people here want to add a few tracks, and deal with mixing them, etc, which is straightforward, but isn't demo'd in those videos. There's also this one, on "fast comping" in Logic, which for me is reason alone to use Logic (this feature does take a bit of practice, and you don't have to do it, unless you want to edit out your mistakes... but it's so much easier than other ways to edit):
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