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Old 02-10-2015, 07:51 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions and words of encouragement guys.

I'll try bleaching the stain from the side that would face internally first. It is much darker there. If that doesn't help, i'll leave the other side alone and try my hand at a shade top for the first time. Learning opportunities...
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:44 PM
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I had this same color (greenish ) stain in a neck I did . Not the knot ...lol , but the line next to it . Have no idea what or where it came from but was identical to yours . I tried bleaching (only the stain ) and it lighted and got rid of the "greenness" but left the dark spot . Didn't try the acid , but I was OK with the spot , as the neck was not flawless ...and really it suited the guitar in my opinion. I call it character. Good luck and keep us posted on your results. It'd be nice to find a solution in case I run into this again !
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Old 02-10-2015, 10:37 PM
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Just a bit more info on Oxalic acid, sometimes it is sold as a "rust and stain remover" it come in a crystal or powder form not a liquid and you mix it in water. You may have to look for rust or stain removers then read the fine print to see if it is oxalic acid.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:48 PM
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That looks a lot like "blue stain" which is due to a fungus if the wood is kept damp for too long after the tree is felled. Given the provenance of your wood, it wouldn't surprise me. I've never been able to get rid of blue stain. The "standard" fixes are bleaches, but I've not had much success with them. Try a Google search on blue stain removal from wood and see if any permanent fixes get thrown up.
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That looks a lot like "blue stain" which is due to a fungus if the wood is kept damp for too long after the tree is felled. Given the provenance of your wood, it wouldn't surprise me. I've never been able to get rid of blue stain. The "standard" fixes are bleaches, but I've not had much success with them. Try a Google search on blue stain removal from wood and see if any permanent fixes get thrown up.
Exactly right.

I don't think there is any cure. The cause of the infection is not getting a log split and sawn and stickered fast enough. It mainly will affect sap wood, which is usually closest to the center line as with your top.

If there is any way to deal with it, John Arnold would know. He will likely notice your question, so wait for him to comment.

For whatever consolation it gives, your supplier ought to replace the top.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:53 AM
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That looks a lot like "blue stain" which is due to a fungus if the wood is kept damp for too long after the tree is felled. Given the provenance of your wood, it wouldn't surprise me. I've never been able to get rid of blue stain. The "standard" fixes are bleaches, but I've not had much success with them. Try a Google search on blue stain removal from wood and see if any permanent fixes get thrown up.
Good call. external contamination by fungus not object.

Makes more sense than mine hypothesis.
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Old 02-11-2015, 07:44 AM
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So you're saying it's not Billy the Kid??

Thanks for the great info. I'll just make a replacement. Lesson learned!
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:05 PM
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Or why don't you ask your client if it bothers them? Or how about asking if they'd like a sunburst to cover it up?
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:52 PM
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Exactly right.

I don't think there is any cure. . .

If there is any way to deal with it, John Arnold would know. He will likely notice your question, so wait for him to comment. . .
I'm with Howard.

Sometimes it's best to "know when to fold 'em." Basically everybody I know who practices this insane craft has had to start over from time to time. . .
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Old 02-11-2015, 07:50 PM
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Blue stain is the enemy of tonewood cutters....especially when it comes to spruce or maple. It is a fungus that grows in the sapwood, primarily in the summer months. Though it is normally considered undesirable aesthetically, it does not affect the structure or sound of the wood.
I just heard about a chemical that removes blue stain, but I have not tried it yet. The Hampton brothers have tested it, and it seems promising. The chemistry is hydrogen peroxide.

http://www.baquacil.com/products/oxidizers.aspx

You do not want to get this stuff on your hands!
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:17 PM
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Looks like Summer stain to me. Hence the adage, don't fell softwoods between Memorial Day and Labor Day. Its a fungus that attacks the wet wood and good luck.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:25 PM
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This might be reaching but i have heard of techs air brushing repairs so it does not show. Would that be an option
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