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Deep Spaz 9 seemed to be a soap opera with this big... metal... thing in the background. Voyager was a combination of rehash and preaching and Janeway was an insufferably bad leader. Enterprise wasn't too bad but by then my wife wouldn't tolerate it and we've bailed. We've enjoyed most of the movies but the last of the reboots, Beyond, jumped the shark with force-fed preachy poop and non-Star-Trek detail excursions. What was it W.C. Fields said? "There comes a time in the affairs of man my dear Blubber, when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation." The cost/benefit analysis eventually discourages sitting through the series waiting for the good to come. Bob
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I'm also a Star Trek fan. It's my "go to" science fiction universe.
-Enterprise: was okay, but character development never quite satisfied. Not sure why. Characters were mostly likeable/relatable, but... -The Original series: awesome. Something new and exciting at the -time. Still totally watchable. -The Next Generation: Loved almost all the characters. Loved the character development. -Voyager: All good! Might even be my favourite! Seven of Nine! -DSN: Also all good! It was nice to have everyone in place, versus traveling, and seeing how that might affected life in space. Enjoyed the Ferengi. -Picard: Hmm. A bit disappointing. Nice to have the characters back, but I didn't appreciate the overt darkness. Part of the comfort of Star Trek was the humor, mostly happy endings, etc. Changing what was concluded/implied at the end of The Next Generation for the sake of "shock"/change was detrimental. -Discovery: OMG. The first 2 seasons were atrocious. If you are going to attempt to change things around THAT much, don't go with an established world and start your own science fiction series. The only likeable character was Saru. Third season was better and back on track - but I think they really ruined the Star Trek premise with the first 2 seasons. I will never unsee those ludicrous Klingons. Hopefully character development continues to improve in Season 4. The movies were fun, but not as enjoyable as the series. Somehow they just never quite "fit" and tended towards silly - since the writers were always trying to come up with an even grander disaster to overcome. Lower Decks - okay, but cartoons are cartoons.
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Hey Barry, I thought the Borg were some of the best episodes. When you watch The Next Generation (TNG) make sure you don't skip over the Borg episodes - they're the best.
You're right, the first season of TNG isn't as good as the others. Also, the Riker character gets a lot better at about the time he gets his beard (is that season 3 or so)? I'm a big fan of TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise. Never really go into Deep Space Nine though and I only got half way through. Enjoy TNG! |
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I think it was as early as season 2 but I could be wrong... I remember reading some years ago that Frakes grew the beard for a stage show he was in and decided (or the producers decided) to keep it for Riker. Can anyone confirm this?
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Source: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...0than%20normal. "Frakes: What happened was there was a strike, there was a writer's strike after the first season, then we had a meeting with the cast and the late, great Gene Roddenberry, Berman and others. I had grown a beard because I hated to shave, and Roddeberry 'in his vision' said "Jonathan, I love the beard. It'll be nautical. But we'll shape it, and that way it'll be decorative"." |
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I broke down last night and re-subscribed to CBS All Access. I'm going to try Picard.
I wonder why the Star Trek movie universe ignores Captain Janeway and her crew. I thought the show was right in line with what Star Trek was doing.
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I'm going to subscribe to CBS All Access one day but I think my next jump will be to Disney/Crave in Canada. I too want to watch Picard.
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Oh yes, now I remember! Thanks for sharing Dru!
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IMO the best Star Trek was never filmed. The fan fiction of the 70s was pretty good. I was also an avid reader of the Bantam books. I also like some of the fan fiction that was on YouTube that CBS stopped. Not all of it, but New Voyages/Phase II and Continues were top notch with regards to production and writing - though some of the acting could have been better.
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Any Star Trek serving with Counselor Troi in it, I am GAME ON!
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How about the Star Trek animated/cartoon tv show from the early 70s? Anyone watch that?
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Of course! Cheap animation but some fun stories - and the original cast doing the voices (after Nimoy insisted iirc). My son and I are watching Below Decks at the moment. I really wasn’t sure after the first episode but now we’re enjoying them - typical American fast paced dialog (too fast usually) but a nice self-effacing satire fairly well done! Take it for what it is it’s very enjoyable.
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As to Riker, as mentioned above, he got better once he grew a beard in Season II. Walter Koenig's best acting was as Bester in Babylon 5, another great TV series.
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