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I bought an iMac recently and it's the same issue so I picked up one of these.
https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb...dows+Certified Super fast. I use one bay for sessions and the others are for sound libraries.
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Contemporary OS's handle file management in a MUCH different manner these days. Severely fragmented drives are, by and large, no longer an issue. Data is distributed in a much more efficient way, not to mention the newer SS drives (as has been mentioned) radically change processing speeds for most audio chores. Also the newer SS drives are MASSIVE compared to the early days. Some here will remember the original Digidesign drives that were 8 gig and a whooping $2000.00 a piece. In the end I don't see a significant reason to NOT record to an external drive (with the exception of how fast current internal SS drives are) but I also see no significant reason to not record to an internal drive. Certainly the old mantra of "you must always use an external drive" is firmly in the rear view mirror. |
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The issue for me is that right now I have several projects in various stages on my laptop's SSD and they're taking up a bunch of space. I'm getting tired of the MacOS warnings that I only have 12 GB left.
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If you're getting drive space errors that would be the kinda thing I wanna address separately and from there decide whether or not you need a 7200 rpm external. If storage is an issue you can pickup any number of 1TB portable drives for less than $50.00 that, where they may not be up to the task of streaming audio, are great for storage. Take the several projects you're working on and store them externally. When you need em drag em back. As you're aware, filling any hard drive (internal or external) to near capacity is never a good idea and is inevitably gonna cause various degrees of chaos |
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Yep. That’s actually exactly what I’m doing—using the little Seagates for archiving.
I’m mostly joking about the storage errors. My Mac barks at me if I get below 15GB free, it seems. |
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As you go about any task on a computer the boot drive is writing swap files (virtual memory), cache files & constantly writing system state changes to the drive. You get to a certain point (track count) where this will cause problems. Even an SSD can only do 1 thing at a time. Sure a modest session will be fine 99.999999% of the time. But I've seen issues on 2 track recordings to the boot drive. Usually jitter/noise in final file that didn't happen "in the room". I prefer not to risk it...especially as sample rates climb, requiring more data to be written for each track. I don't see this as becoming outdated advice anytime soon...at least not until they make drives that can read/write to multiple tasks simultaneously.
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Considering Logic crashed a few minutes into the recording of the second session, I can see the wisdom of separating out the tasks.
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before i record, i use memory clean and maccleanse to "clean house." play music!
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It was a weird crash. I just clicked on the "scrunch" button to make the whole session fit on a single screen. Won't do that again. Luckily we were only 5 minutes into the tracking. Everything else went off without a hitch. I archived the unedited project on my external and now all I need to do is the light editing they asked for (EQ, compression, panning, etc.) If they want more than that (dude! mouth breathing! hey you! quit fiddling with your clothes!), we've discussed a fee schedule.
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Exactly right.
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BTW, somewhere in my Mac-Museum, I have an 80MB Lacie Drive with SCSI ports that cost about $800. (on sale!!) Regards, Ty |
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I work in one of the most demanding audio environments on the planet. We are a facility of approximately 70 staff employees with sometimes upwards 30 free lance artists of which include audio folk, Avid editors, writers, Project Coordinators, Creative Directors and specific show Content Developers. We have 7 full time audio engineers and at any given time 3 to 5 free lance audio engineers. We have 4 full time dedicated Pro Tool bays and two that work as standby ProTool/Avid bays depending on production schedules and or show delivery demands. We run two of the Pro Tools bays 24 hours a day (3 full time shifts, one engineer following another around the clock) year round and I’d estimate an average (at least most seasons) 6 days a week. In this environment there is zero tolerance for downtime. There is zero tolerance for mistakes. There is zero tolerance for a failed delivery. In short it’s relentless combat mixing.
In the 4 full time Pro Tools bay’s we run Mac Pro’s with SS internal drives of which we work to. I think the Mac Pro’s have been in the bays for at least two years and it wouldn’t surprise me if it were three years but honestly don’t remember when we updated. In all that time, running 24/6 in two of the four rooms (the other two rooms run two 8 hour shifts) we’ve never had a single issue with working to the internal drives. Not once, ever. Not regarding reliability nor performance. Over the years (I’m coming up on my 19th year here) we’ve tried various drive solutions from the original atto/scsi days to the failed Digidesign attempt at round robin, to the trend toward third party drives specialist in rack mountable trays and finally multiple FireWire solutions. We’ve tried em all. In that light it’s REALLY difficult for me to buy into the idea one MUST work to an external drive. I’m not saying one shouldn’t as external drives are as relavent as they have always been. I am however, based on personal experience, certain beyond any shadow of a doubt, internal SS drives are probably the single most effective solution we’ve ever used. Given the relentless demands we put on these machines I’d feel confident in recommending, without hesitation, this option for any home studio recording enthusiasts. YMMV |
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Not being a computer designer, software engineer or programmer, etc. I do not know the answer to one question about the above statement (not challenging just don't understand and am curious ) As you go about any task on a computer the boot drive is writing swap files (virtual memory), cache files & constantly writing system state changes to the drive. You get to a certain point (track count) where this will cause problems. Even an SSD can only do 1 thing at a time. So I get the gist of the above but what I don't understand is . So assuming as you say the processor is doing these tasks one task at a time, Arn't all these tasks still going to be done "one at a time" in the computer processor, regardless of weather the file storage is on the primary drive or a second drive ? ? , If so then I am not clear on what functional difference in terms of speed or congestion would it make between the processor writing to and reading off of the primary drive, or a secondary drive ? Isn't the processor doing the same amount of work regardless of file storage location ? Or are you saying that having a second drive is in fact allowing the processor to now multi task ??? I do not know so I am asking ...
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Nobody's saying you have to work to an "external" drive, as in "outside the computer." They're saying you should work to a drive other than the boot drive, which presumably also has your DAW app on it. It's just that in the case of a laptop with a single internal drive and no space for another one if you don't ditch your optical drive, "not the boot drive" and "external" are, in effect, the same thing. |
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Joe, my friend,
Good to see you out here. Can you please just say what you mean. Best, Ty |