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Old 03-14-2021, 03:53 AM
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Sabicas was a robot. The right hand techniques of flamenco guitar are off the charts. I tried flamenco for a couple years but being a lefty playing righty, mother nature wired my brain and right hand in ways that proved to be too much of a hurdle for me to get over, nevermind the weirdly complex rhythms. Maybe I gave up too soon? It doesn't matter, I'm happier at home with steel strings anyway.
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Old 03-14-2021, 05:20 AM
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Norman, seems much of flamenco world is pretty dismissive of each others' camps; are not "big tent" thinkers. But I get it for "preserving tradition," and all that.
Nah, nothing to do with tradition. Flamenco guitarists have always been pushing the envelope, trying to be more clever and more acrobatic than the last guy. The main player after Ramón Montoya was Niño Ricardo, and he took things to another level, with incredible imagination and virtuosity. Some guitarists didn't and still don't like his playing because it sounds "dirty." Sabicas came just after him (but his influence came later), and his focus was always on clarity, technique and precision. Some didn't and still don't like his playing because it sounds too mechanical. Paco de Lucía drew on both, which is why his playing was so advanced. Until he came along, most guitarists were either montoyistas, sabiquistas or ricardistas. So, what I'm trying to say here is that in flamenco and any other style, guitarists have preferences and some tend to hold their heroes above others. In the case of Sabicas, what irks his fans, and rightly so, is when he's dismissed as a carbon copy of Ramón Montoya.

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Charles Hansen published a book of transcriptions of 6 of the tracks on the “Flamenco Puro”, transcribed by Joseph Trotter, back in the 1970s.
Oh, yes. Those transcriptions are surprisingly accurate. Still available on Amazon and highly recommended. A lot of guys missed out on them because there’s no tablature. That “book” got me started playing flamenco before I met my first teacher. I went over most of it in great detail in the late 1980s and didn’t find a single mistake. At that time, accurate transcriptions were rare because most people didn’t have access to equipment to slow down recordings.

I don’t know anything about Joseph Trotter aside from some brief information in that book, which says he began to teach guitar at San Diego State University in 1973. Anyone know anything about him?
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Old 03-14-2021, 07:12 AM
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Hi Norman,
I would just like to say that you have put in a lot of work into your site, and provide a ton of useful information. Not just on the music, rhythms but on history as well.
Also, you show musical examples with sound clips. Very useful in getting a much better understanding.
Really well done!
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Old 03-14-2021, 07:54 AM
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Thanks, Andre! That’s a little over 20 years of work, there. I haven’t uploaded any of my playing for a very long time. I think the last was the arpeggiated bulería falseta.

I had a look at your YouTube account and I have to say that your playing is exactly what I like: clear and strong in rhythm and touch, and of course with beautiful tone. I particularly liked both videos titled “Ballad” and some other stuff that came up afterward. Very late last night, I had another listen and liked it even more. I’m just hoping I can learn some of those skills from you guys!
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Old 03-15-2021, 06:27 AM
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Thanks, Andre! That’s a little over 20 years of work, there. I haven’t uploaded any of my playing for a very long time. I think the last was the arpeggiated bulería falseta.
Then I think it's high time Norman!
We're both in the same boat in this regard. I hope to get back into recording this coming year. It's one of my 2021 resolutions!
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Old 03-27-2021, 05:02 AM
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Thanks for posting this Norman! Quality Sabicas videos aren't that easy to find. I've been trying to go back recently and learn some different Sabicas falsetas so this is really useful. As others have said, thanks for being a champion for flamenco!!

Hope you are well :-)
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Old 03-27-2021, 07:56 AM
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Thanks, Fraz! The real champions are the professional artists. I play a little and sometimes accompany singers (last night, actually, for the first time in a couple of years), but most of what I do is analysis and criticism of what the pros do. Not unlike an ungrateful flea, according to some.
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