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Fire Eye Red Eye and Taylor ES2
I know that the Red Eye supposedly works well with passive AND active electronics, but I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using the Red Eye with an active system. From most things that I've read, it seems that Red Eye users are playing with passive electronics.
If the Red Eye is not the preamp to use, can someone recommend a preamp/DI that pairs nicely with the ES2 system? Side note: for those of you wondering why I'd be wanting an external preamp in combination with the ES2, well here's why. I've played the guitar three times in a live setting, on three different mixers: an A&H QU16, a Mackenzie ProFX, and a Yamaha something-or-other. On all three mixers I had to have the gain CRANKED to have much sound coming through the FOH and monitors. And quite frankly, it sounded terrible. I thought I was going to have to return the guitar. However, upon taking it back to the shop I purchased it from and A/B'ing with other guitars that have the ES2 system, we found this to be the common theme among them; low output. We then tried a Baggs PADI; problem solved. I have an Empress ParaEQ on my board, so I do not need the EQ options provided on the PADI. So I'm looking for basic preamp/DI recommendations. Thanks! |
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Thanks for the response.
Last edited by Kerbie; 07-25-2017 at 03:02 AM. Reason: Edited |
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Occasionally I think I am going to need aditional EQ so I use my Venue or PADI. Then sometimes I might have time to experiment so I just plug in the Red Eye instead. The Red Eye is all I really need. My Dazzo pickup itself gets me so close that I can get what I need in the places and situations I need. I have two Red Eyes.
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I demo'd the Red Eye and really love the quality of sound. But IMO, it DOES need a power inlet so I can leave it connected and powered from my pedal board.
I tried it with a Taylor/ES2 and ultimately did not feel the Red Eye was needed. I wound up with a Fishman Platinum Pro EQ on my board for a few reasons for greater EQ shaping for problem rooms.
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The RedEye will take active electronics with no problem. I use my Redeye twin to mix a K&K pm and a Baggs M80 active and the gains work great independently. There would be no problem with a RedEye and what you intend.
I haves 2 of them but like the post above! Usually they show up in the gear section. Bought mine both from John at Shoreline Music - can't go wrong there. davidc Last edited by Kerbie; 07-25-2017 at 03:03 AM. Reason: Edited |
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The Red Eye works on phantom power and has an effects loop so I can't see why a power outlet is necessary.
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The Red Eye will be a waste of money. The ES2 has more than enough output to work directly to a mixer. I just ran mine into my little Mackie 1202 vlz with the guitar's volume at the center detent and by adjusting the input trim on the mixer it was quite easy to achieve unity gain with room to spare.
Mixers are designed for mic levels which are lower output than the ES2 system. It sounds like the mixers are not configured properly. |
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The sound guy that works at what music shop? I used to work for a music store would that make me an expert too?
Mixers are designed to to work with a multitude of sources but first and foremost microphones. Microphones can be very low level so the mixer needs gain to make them work. The A&H QU16 mixer has 60dB of gain which is standard.That is more than enough gain to work with that guitar. On the mixer I used the gain is only 45dB on the line channel and I still had gain to spare. Where and how is he plugging you into the mixer? To a mic channel, line channel etc? Anything between the guitar and mixer? At worst an inexpensive $25 DI would allow you to connect directly to a mic channel. He or she should =know that but I doubt it's necessary. here are some of the specs for that mixer" XLR Mic/Line Inputs 1‐16 Balanced, 48V phantom power Mic/Line Preamp Fully recallable Input Sensitivity ‐60 to +5dBu Analogue Gain ‐5 to +60dB, 1dB steps Maximum Input Level +19dBu Input Impedance >5kΩ TRS jack Line inputs 1‐16 Balanced Input Sensitivity ‐50 to +20dBu Analogue Gain ‐10 to +60dB, 1dB steps Maximum Input Level +29dBu Input Impedance >10kΩ Stereo ST1, ST2 Line Inputs Balanced, 1/4" TRS jack Mono capability L normals through R for Mono input Input Sensitivity Nominal +4dBu Trim |
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On the other hand, it doesn't mean you're not either. Sounds like the Red Eye is liked by many people, quite of few of them with reasonably high credentials, and then there are others who don't. I like reading the views on both sides of any piece of equipment I'm considering, so your points are a welcome read as well.
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It sounds like something is either not configured properly or maybe something else is going on. |
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Definitely sounds like somethings not right, and I'd agree from my end, that adding an extra piece of gear sounds like a dead end at this point.
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