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I haven’t had the mic even 2 hours yet. I turned on the power supply and plugged everything in and let it warm for about 30 minutes before making this very short demo. For acoustics, or at least for my HD 28, it looks like it will need some high pass filtering post recording as it does not have a high pass switch on it. It sounds good though. I recorded the guitar a bit further a way than when I did the WA 87 demo. I will post some more using the omni and figure 8 patterns as well.

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I haven’t had the mic even 2 hours yet. I turned on the power supply and plugged everything in and let it warm for about 30 minutes before making this very short demo. For acoustics, or at least for my HD 28, it looks like it will need some high pass filtering post recording as it does not have a high pass switch on it. It sounds good though. I recorded the guitar a bit further a way than when I did the WA 87 demo. I will post some more using the omni and figure 8 patterns as well.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cI7...w?usp=drivesdk
Sounds great, didn't sound sound particularly boomy thru my laptop earbuds
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Not being a huge fan of the Warm lineup, the strumming at 0:40 sounds much better than I'd have expected from that mic. The fingerpicking at 1:20 is a bit boomy to my ears and the top end isn't as pleasing as on the earlier strumming. I'm guessing that the mic was positioned differently for that. But overall, it sounds like you can do alright with that mic if you take the time to find the optimum position.
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Not being a huge fan of the Warm lineup, the strumming at 0:40 sounds much better than I'd have expected from that mic. The fingerpicking at 1:20 is a bit boomy to my ears and the top end isn't as pleasing as on the earlier strumming. I'm guessing that the mic was positioned differently for that. But overall, it sounds like you can do alright with that mic if you take the time to find the optimum position.

I didn't change the position of the mic. I will begin messing around with placement later this weekend and next week. It is not necessarily what I will use on acoustic guitars anyway.
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I didn't change the position of the mic. I will begin messing around with placement later this weekend and next week.
For whatever reason, it sounds very different in those two clips.

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It is not necessarily what I will use on acoustic guitars anyway.
What is your intended purpose for the mic? I know a lot of folks like 251 type mics on female vocalists, not that it's limited to that by any means.
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For whatever reason, it sounds very different in those two clips.


What is your intended purpose for the mic? I know a lot of folks like 251 type mics on female vocalists, not that it's limited to that by any means.
I could have accidentally moved myself out of position when switching from playing with the pick.

I wanted a tube mic to try out on vocals and to have something different from my SM7b and WA 87. If It ends up that I don’t like it I will return it and try something else. I like it so far.
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I could have accidentally moved myself out of position when switching from playing with the pick.

I wanted a tube mic to try out on vocals and to have something different from my SM7b and WA 87. If It ends up that I don’t like it I will return it and try something else. I like it so far.
As I noted In my thread about ADK's mics I actually preferred the 251 to both the 47 and the 67 for my vocal... But my Brauner Phantom V FET ( like a U87 but with a flatter response in the upper mids) is very close such that either one is pretty good on my voice (higher baritone)...
As Jim noted, it is very popular in studios for female vocals, because it is very detailed in the upper mids without being shrill... BUT that actually also makes it excellent for many male vocalists as well, particularly if like me they are somewhat raspy at times and not very detailed in the upper mids and highs.
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:23 AM
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The two guys that I play classic rock and country covers with are both much better singers than I am. We could be considered “Crosby, Nash, and Young” with me definitely being the “Young”. . They are going to help me with some of my original music and I will be very interested in seeing how they sound using this mic. It needs more testing but the good thing about Sweetwater is that they have no problem taking the mic back and letting me try something else.

ETA: I will sing a little with it soon and post that as well. It won’t be “pretty” but I do well enough to see if the mic captures what it claims to capture.
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At 4:18 video the guy is demo-ing a Martin through a real Telefunken 251. See if you can get this kind of tone.
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I am getting a playback error this morning when I click the link. I will try again later.
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At 4:18 video the guy is demo-ing a Martin through a real Telefunken 251. See if you can get this kind of tone.
Try this (fixed the embedding):

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Thanks Doug, for fixing the link.

I love that mic on her voice and the guitar.
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Probably a personal taste thing, but to me, gwlee's recording (the strumming) sounds nicer than - or at least as good as - the SoundPure example, his is warmer and fuller. But it would depend on how the track was being used of course. The fingerpicking part doesn't seem to be coming through as well.

It's also important to note that SoundPure appears to have some stereo room reverb on the guitar, it's not mono, so we're not hearing the raw mic signal. The processing is more evident (tho different) if you check out the vocal portion. So just that slight stereo effect on SoundPure's demo makes the sound open up a bit. This is how a mic could sound in the studio with processing, not the direct mic.
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The next example I play I will mimic the guy from the video just so we can see ah, I mean hear.

In my demo, I didn’t take the time to move closer to the mic for the fingerpicking part and I know that I was strumming considerably louder than I was fingerpicking. I will also use “mixtool” to balance the levels between the strumming and fingerpicking so we can hear them equally. This was done quickly as I literally took the mic out of its packing, and fired it up waiting thirty minutes or so and then recorded something. The next demo will be done with more “care”. I was just excited to hear a little of what the mic could do.
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I really, really like this mic. I am not where I can post an example at the moment but the trick for me so far to getting awesome acoustic guitar recordings with it, is to use it in Figure 8 or omni mode instead of cardioid. This is taking the boominess that I didn't like out. My room has been treated and while it is certainly not Ocean Way Studios or anything, it sounds pretty decent. I will post up some examples this weekend as I am going to be working on a lot of stuff while my wife is out of town.
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