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Yowza!!!
That Maple is insane! Han, you may have a side career as a wood sourcer...
Now I am officially jealous. Hahahaha This instrument is going to Kick some .... thing Salud Paul
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Hanter Wood Hunter, how about that. I can’t stop myself from looking at woods anyway. If anyone wants some special woods for their build, hit me up! Provided your luthier allows it, of course.
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Wow, I for sure have never seen maple quite like that. Holy cow!
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Coming from someone like you Tom, that is high praise indeed! Now we gotta figure out how to cut it up and which sections to use for what. Its life as a droptop was not meant to be.
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Your new handle?
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That maple is so FINE This axe will RAWK Paul
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Yeah, I have 3 other soundboards of this incredible redwood (not broken this time ), and it is such a precious material! Yes, It would be sweet to cross our path at BIG, definitely! It will be so much fun for visitors & Luthiers! Thanks for your kind words!
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John reported that the African Blackwood ate up 3 pieces of sandpaper just to get one side thinned. Oops. Apparently the excess resins also get hot and gum up the sandpaper.
But on a happier note, the sides bent really nicely and held the bend very well. Really stiff after they cooled. Hand-bent with Greybeard mock-up lurking in the background. We will not be going with double sides for this build. John feels that he wants to keep the dalbergias “pure”. In my limited experience I do agree that non-double-sided-dalbergia-guitars have a tad of richness and complexity associated with them, more so than those who have. There will be, however, fully solid laminated linings.
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I’m about ready to throw away my bending forms with heating blanket and press. They have not been used in my shop for the last 30 guitars or so. I bend everything by hand now, even the laminated lining. Not sure why I’ve reverted other than to say that it’s more satisfying to have that tactile feel for what the wood wants to do and i usually would have to go back and do touch up on the hot iron after using the press and form anyway.
Regarding double sides, I’m convinced the sides are part of the sound system, though a minor part, and their “tap tone” should be regarded. Depending on the wood being used, some sides benefit acoustically from lamination and some do not. There are no acoustic benefits from doubling dalbergia sides. There may be structural benefits, probably are from an engineering point of view, but this is one of those areas where structural concerns and acoustic concerns need to be balanced.
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OK, I am confused then. No double sides to keep the sound pure, but then what will the laminated linings be and is that not the same as laminating more blackwood for double sides???
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Thoughtfully said John!
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Interesting!
At this Point I would go with your gut feelings, myself.
I love that you're doing more and more stuff by hand, and I'm glad you're enjoying it too! Carry-on and have fun Paul
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OK, I guess I am just confused by what the linings as I was thinking they are bent the same as the sides and are glued together with the sides, but maybe I am not getting it. Sorry, do not mean to hijack the thread.
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Tom, no worries, you didn’t hijack anything. I read and reread and my conclusion is that this is a case of misunderstanding in terminologies. Again, a picture says a thousand words! Here are the laminated linings for the top edge of the sides. You will also notice a raw Spanish Cedar heel block and Maple neck block here. The soundport veneer is also in Maple. Tada! Laminated lining for top, treble side only. Material used is Honduran Mahogany. So, I guess some refer to the second piece of veneer used in double sides as the laminated “lining” while John refers to the above as the linings, which I believe are also called kerfings. Hope I haven’t brought more confusion to the table!
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Kerfing the linings...
I believe linings can be solid or kerfed, or reverse kerfed! Confused yet? Haha
When the linings have many cuts most of the way through they are "kerfed" Usually the thin solid part will attach to the sides, but some folks reverse them and put the cuts next to the sides. Reverse is apparently more rigid. John usually uses solid (non kerfed) linings except under the bevels. These are even more rigid. And double or even triple sides are also used by some builders to stiffen the sides even more. Plenty of ways to skin the proverbial cats... So, did my recent JK PABLO have double sides? I do not recall from the thread! Whatever John did is certainly working as it is the best yet! This will certainly do the job, too... Cheers Paul
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