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Once again, Cotten delivers again; though I do feel that most folks that have responded are more focused on the music rather than the religious aspects of it.
Personally, I'm doing music ministry because I feel that it's my own way of giving back to the church of what gifts God has given me. If the congregation likes the music, great! If they didn't, they're always welcomed to offer suggestions to make the music group sound better. But, it's never been or never will be my intention to be "Mr. Guitar god/Rock Star". I'm just glad that I "stumbled" into this section of the "AGF"! I just don't visit here often.
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most emotional/sincere American music has traditionally come from either very rural or very urban areas (opinion)....both of those environments can dish out a pretty primitive harshness upon folks...and a true need to come together through music/church/community/whatever is the result... when I see the late night/early morning CCM informercials/advertisements... I think silly suburban syrup.... suburban softees floating around the sea of syrup in their comfort bubbles... looking silly and insincere when they occasionally/periodically bump into one another..... nothing more nothing less.... I reserve the right to be wrong....
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Now I gotta go to work Bill
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Hi Ho Hondo!
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That brought a smile... I usually try to ascertain what ''era'' folks are from when playing worship music, and fit my styling to it. Was at a friend's home where there was an older couple (the host's parents) who were visiting and they began talking about the music that had pulled them along when they were starting out...and I realized what era they were from. So for the next 30 minutes or so we just sang folk music and the hits were:
It was fun. We have not sung those since about 1972. It was a good marker as to how things have changed, and have improved. His folks (now in their 70s) went home enthused that someone even knew the music that had been their's when they were in their 40s. |
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PS: I would like it if the music ministers who have responded thus far maybe continue to discuss this under a new post so I can gain some more knowledge...then I will be less of a "nerd" when it comes to this. Who knows, it may get me going back to church??!
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The music teams are only as good as the volunteers. If you have gifts in music, maybe it's time you help them out.
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We can be biblically accurate AND culturally relevant.
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I am sure we all agree that Amazing Grace will far outlive all of us. It is timeless because it is well written and just plain strong. I would guess that many of us would also agree that Rich Mullins' (and Beaker) Step by Step may well end up in that category down the road.
What songs from the current "A List" do you see lasting past this decade?
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In our case, the somewhat rough around the edges pastor with heart grew into one of the finest pastors I have ever seen. It happened because we looked past his inital public speaking shortcomings and and focused on what was truly important in worship. Public speaking skills was not the top priority. The same as it will be with my bass player. Initially, he "sucked". He has worked his fingers to the stumps to learn however and has been willing to do anything and everything to improve himself. Lessons at his own expense, practice and them more practice, and then more practice. Again I say, I will gladly take him over a funky Marcus Miller slap/pop whiz that thinks it's all about him. Your results may vary. Since we can't go into religious discussion, I really can't explain it any deeper than that so I don't expect to truly get my point across. Also, I am not offended by anything said so far. There has been some speaking from ignorance on this thread, and I don't intend that to be an insult. Just a lack of insight and understanding about what we have to try to accomplish and what we're sometimes given to do it with. Peace. |
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Joe F wrote:
"Also, I am not offended by anything said so far. There has been some speaking from ignorance on this thread, and I don't intend that to be an insult. Just a lack of insight and understanding about what we have to try to accomplish and what we're sometimes given to do it with. Peace." This grace is not "cheap" thanks Joe! bill
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Haven't we always had more hymns in the book we don't use than those we do? There are some really poorly written ones. There are always some ''better than others'' of any variety of music we encounter. Actually I know a fellow who regularly submits choruses to ''worship recording groups'', and he has gotten the response ''We are interested in your song x_____x, but the lyrics on the third verse are weak. If you strengthen them, we will consider it for an upcoming project.'' They elaborated further. He did, they did. That says to me, they expect growth. My thought is if I can edit copy for an article to fit in a newspaper/magazine/newsletter, I can edit lyrics and melody to make them fit as well without sacrificing content (accuracy) and relevance. |
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As for editing, the problem is that we are prohibited by law from editing bad CCM songs as they exist. We can write and edit our own but...our hands are tied on copyrighted material.
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That seems to be the point as I examine the above quote. Outside of special projects or special songs, the congregation is there to participate in this musical expression of worship. A worship leader's job is to bring the congregation into a worship experience that they are participating in, not watching or listening to. A very gifted musician or entertainer might be better suited to do this because of their talent, but in no way does that guarantee it. Conversely, a very good worship leader may not be skilled when it comes to special music, solos, or pure musical entertainment. They really are two different things, but skill in one area (musical talent) will definitely be helpful to draw on when leading worship. Any worship leader that understands this will put things in proper priority - one, have the right heart attitude for leading worship (no ego, it isn't about me); and two, you owe it to your congregation and the One you are there to worship to develop your musical skills to the best degree that you are able.
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