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Old 12-11-2018, 07:32 PM
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I just got a Bourgeois OM VV model and it has 6/64E - 5/64e action which is actually really nice but I prefer 5/64 and 4/64. But Im at the point where I am a little worried about going too low, its easier to go down than up. Am I one of the few that like 5/64 action on the low E or is this normal around here? I can also just get another saddle and fit it to the lower specs and have both.

Are these saddles glued in at all or no? I doubt it. And what material are they stock? Bone?
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Old 12-11-2018, 07:41 PM
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I just got a Bourgeois OM VV model and it has 6/64E - 5/64e action which is actually really nice but I prefer 5/64 and 4/64. But Im at the point where I am a little worried about going too low, its easier to go down than up. Am I one of the few that like 5/64 action on the low E or is this normal around here? I can also just get another saddle and fit it to the lower specs and have both.

Are these saddles glued in at all or no? I doubt it. And what material are they stock? Bone?
How does it feel? Are you playing it, or measuring it?
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I can also just get another saddle and fit it to the lower specs and have both.
Do this.

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Are these saddles glued in at all or no?
No.

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And what material are they stock? Bone?
Often, yes.
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Old 12-11-2018, 07:54 PM
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Its too low when you have constant fret buzz when played.

I can go much lower than you- 4/64 low E and 2/64 high E, so its personal taste.

You will not be able to get that action and have a good saddle height however. The way most guitars. The only way I can see it feasible is by changing the shims on a Taylor, or if you specify the required string height to the builder beforehand, and he sets the neck geometry accordingly.

Ive only been able to achieve 3/64 on the high E before the string basically has no break angle.
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If it came setup at 3/32" and 2.5/32" I leave that along and get a second saddle and sand it a little lower. You might find the one you have now is perfect in more humid summer months depending on where you reside.
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Also to add, it seems the saddle runs out of room at the Low E for compensation when the string height is lowered. You may notice the Low E is slightly sharp as you move up the fretboard.

It makes sense because you are basically shortening the string length when lowering string height, and it makes a difference even when the length is miniscule. Either that, or the saddle slot was placed incorrectly.
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Old 12-11-2018, 08:21 PM
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Measurements and numbers mean absolutely nothing, it's all about the players touch. No matter how high the action on a guitar, if you hit it hard enough it'll buzz. If it sounds good and buzz free for your touch, then the action is fine.
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5/64E and 4/64e has always been my sweet spot...and I’m a pretty heavy strummer/picker. No buzz. No problem.
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Its too low when you have constant fret buzz when played.
This. It depends on your style and touch. I am a fingerstyle player with a light touch, so I have a low action. G Rockwell, a terrific young bluegrass player, played my guitar at DelFest and hated it! He plays aggressively with a pick, and probably uses heavier strings than I do as well.
My approach is to forget numbers and get a guitar to where it is comfortable, THEN measure and record the heights and put a card in the case compartment with the data. String height should be an effect of your style, not something to strive for. No doubt that higher action gives you better sound but you still have to be able to play it!
I don’t know why setup cards are not a thing. A shop’s advert could be on one side, and setup data on the other.
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You'll also want 'no-buzz' on alternate tunings - if you use any. And for light-to-medium strings - if you plan on varying your strings in the future. And for variations in humidity. Which means a bit extra margin on the action to handle these effects.

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