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Who Makes Martins Better than Martin?
This was mentioned in another thread, but I'd like some opinions. Specifically who makes a better D-28 or HD-35 type of dreadnought?
By better, I mean more consistent sound from guitar to guitar, and better quality in build. I am specifically interested in spruce / EIR tonewoods. I like the sound of that combination. Cost is secondary, but given an HD-35 MAP is $3229 or thereabouts, I'd like the answers to be in the $3000-4000K range. I'm not looking to spend $6K+ on a new guitar. I'm also not looking for a dread that sounds like a Taylor. I'm looking for a dread that sounds more like what the a good Martin D-28 or D-35 sounds like. Flat picking or strumming would be the main style of play. And, yes, I know I can just buy a Martin. Just wanting to open up my options for consideration.
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Answers will be Collings, Huss & Dalton, Santa Cruz
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Define "better."
There are some small shop operations like Collings and the Santa Cruz Guitar Company that make guitars directly inspired by Martins. Huss and Dalton does much the same thing. But as finely crafted as their guitars are, there's no guarantee that they'll be "better" than the Martin models that inspired them. And because those smaller firms can't achieve the same economies of scale that a larger outfit like Martin can, you'll usually pay significantly more for their guitars than you generally will for the equivalent Martins. Hope that makes sense. Wade Hampton Miller |
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I'm curious that Collings is on the list. A recent thread compared Collings to Santa Cruz and the general feeling was Collings had more of a modern, almost Taylor kind of sound to them. The consensus was they are superb guitars, but just different in sound than Martins.
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Can you define what you mean by "better"? Doing somight help get you get more meaningful responses
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This is bound to get heated... But, IMO, there's quite a few small builders. Among more recognizable names, SCGC, Collings, Bourgeois, H&D, etc.
"Better" is really a relative term obviously but I feel that if you want a high-end instrument within the general Martin style, there's offerings I personally like better once you get past 3k range or so. Just my feelings. Many will disagree. Nothing will satisfy them like I Martin made guitar. That's OK. We can all respect each other's opinions. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about who makes the most accurate clone here. |
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Of course this is all subjective, but I would venture a guess that the educated ear would be able to hear the differences.
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Are you asking who makes a good rosewood dread?
Are you asking who else makes a rosewood dread that sounds like a Martin? Are you asking who makes a good rosewood dread that is easier to play for your style of playing, whatever that may be? What are you asking? |
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The answer is no one...that would be impossible, as only Martin makes Martins. Someone may build a guitar you like better, maybe even one that is Martin-esque in construction, and similar in voice; but, that doesn't make it a better Martin, only a good "fill in brand here". Maybe the question should be, who makes a great Martin copy?
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First you'll get the "nobody makes a better Martin than Martin" guys.
Then you got the "insert boutique $4,000 brands" guys. Then you got the "insert name of obscure independent luthier whose guitars are the best I've ever played and he lives in my town and you should try his guitars" guys. Then you got the "argue over the definition of what is a Martin" guys. Then you got the "I will never buy another Martin again after insert random bad experience" guys. Then you got the 11+ pages of arguing and the thread is closed for having veered too much off topic from original question. |
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What are you going to be like when you've got a couple thousand on the clock?! |
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Maton tried. But they left out the r. And even if they hadn't they'd still have spelled it wrong.
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