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Many people laud the Gotoh. I've had some awful sets in their less expensive range. I've had at least one outstanding (closed) one. I've tested the 510 (open back) out on two guitars. The machining is awesome out of the box, very tight, but they just didn't perform once installed. They were stiff and did not tune smoothly at all. The finish was also not as nice as on the Waverly, which have become my standard. I've only seen 1 set of Schertlers (classical) I don't love the knob, hence my earlier question - Does anyone know if the Gotoh, Schaller, Hipshot, or other replacement knob will fit? - They looked to have great machining and nice finish! |
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If that's the case, then there can be no question that a sealed tuner has the advantage of having a full length bushing for the post to "bear against" and spread the load. As you know, there is also a major structural difference in the way the 2 styles are attached which adds to the issues with open back tuners (again, IMO). Tuners such as 510's are "clamped" if you will to the headstock, with both front and back of the headstock in play in fastening the tuner, an open back is ONLY fastened on the back of the headstock. In the end, this is why we have choices. Plenty of folks are happy with both styles. Jimmy
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There can be an issue as well with how well the bushings are fitted to the shafts. on recent set of Waverlies I had enough room to go in and install a very thin brass bushing inside of the press fit bushing to get a nice fit for the shaft. I didn't mind doing it but should not have to-
Doing that made a big difference in how the tuner felt in use. As to the original Q, I don't like the look of the Schertlers otherwise I would give them a try.
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Aesthetically, the Schertler should be compared to the Rodgers and the Alessi rather than the American standard open back. Functionally, it is closer to the higher end standard than the butter bean group as well, IMO, and that is the beauty of it and why I use it as the base tuner on my modern designs. Economically, it is affordable, and I predict that it will be considerably more expensive as time passes. I too look forward to more upscale knob options for the Schertler tuner and am all ears if anyone knows of any.
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If anyone is familiar with anyone out there custom making buttons, can you please put me in touch? GOTOH buttons DO NOT fit. I will try Hipshot this week and Schaller by the end of the month... my hopes are not so high. |
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Having trouble with the classical Schertlers
I have two customers who keep asking for replacement tuners for their classical guitars. They can't keep the screws tight so the gears pull away from the body over time, then get chewed up as the gears slip apart. I've had Stewmac send them replacement tuners, but one of those was defective as well.
Both are now asking whether there's a direct replacement for these so I'll start looking around at bushing sizes and screw spacing to see what's possible. Would be grateful for any recommendations. I haven't had any trouble with the steel string Schertlers - not sure what the mechanical difference is. |
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Sorry to revive this zombie thread, but has anyone sourced replacement tuner buttons for Schertler, given the relatively limited stock button options?
Thanks!
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Chippy,
Short answer for us is no - we haven’t sourced replacement buttons. Now, we had some buttons handmade for some Schaller tuners along time ago, and they fit fine. My guess is it is because how exact the hole in the button is made. Trying several types of replacement buttons for Gotoh tuners and Schallers the consensus is that the Schertler tuner’s shaft is just a few thousandths too wide for the standard replacement buttons (say from LMI). If one was so inclined, it probably wouldn’t take but a few seconds of file work on the tuner shaft to thin it to fit other buttons. I’ve never personally done it, but now that I’ve looked at it, I would judge that it’s not too hard to retrofit. |
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Scherler Tuners custim buttons
I am a big fan of Schertler tuners. I agree with what has been said that they are best with more modern style guitars. When I make Schertler buttons I use the same process I use for Gotoh but I make a smaller size hole for a good fit:
These tuners are getting popular so I imagine someone out there is making them to order. If you order them from me they even come with a guitar Mark
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Tuners
I have one guitar with the Schertler as in the above pictures, two with the open waverlys and two with the 510's. I definitely feel the difference between them and the waverlys. Just feel smoother. Goth 510's are also fine just different.
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Those tuner buttons are gorgeous, and the guitars on your website are no slackers either This is for my Bashkin build, linked below, which leans modern and explains the search for waverly alternatives.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply!
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The Schertler is incomparably smoother IMO. The installation is a no brainer, which is to say I cannot imagine screwing it up. Not so with the Waverly, it is really easy to mess up the geometry on it and get either too tight or too loose on any given tuner. The Waverly can be installed correctly, it’s just not a no brainer.
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