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Me too Imagine if you will driving in the middle of the Wyoming high plains with nothing but miles and miles rolling sagebrush hills (no other cars, no people, nothing but you and the pucker brush ) and having Sacred Ground playing on the Car CD player ....Talk about gettin' into the song and vibe
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On Warren Zevon's live album, Learning to Flinch, the guitar is recorded from the pickup. It's a hard album to listen to for that reason ...for me, anyway.
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Thanks! That's the intro of my tune "The Seagull", it's on my Closing Time CD (comes with tab to all the tunes, including this one).
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You could get a couple of acoustic IR's, and load them into a convolution plugin. IMO acoustic guitar IR's are not quite there yet, unless their are products available that I am unaware of. If you wanted to use your stand alone recording device, you would need something like the Torpedo C.A.B. to host the IR. Not sure which DAW you use, but chances are you may have a convolution plugin already.
I have the Fractal AX8, and have a few acoustic IR's that I've loaded, but as I said, I just don't feel the tech is there yet when it comes to acoustic IR'S. Not that it is terrible, and it will work if you don't feel like setting up mics and pres, but it doesn't have the quality that you get from a well placed mic into a nice preamp. Disclaimer: Most of my experience in regards to IR's are cabinet or reverb oriented, so it would be worth it to research it a bit, as Im sure there are people doing things that i am unaware of. Good luck. |
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Dumb question - what's an IR?
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Impulse response, Barry. It's a way of capturing the sonic signature of one sound so you can apply it to another. It's heavily used in reverbs - capture the sound of the Sistine Chapel, or someone's bathroom, whatever, and be able to apply it as a reverb on your own track. The reverbs are often called "convolution reverbs", because convolution is the process of applying an IR to another sound. You have a convolution reverb in Reaper, from what I understand. So all you do is load it up with an IR and use it like any effect.
A "recent" (as in the last 20 years or so) area of exploration has been using this technique to capture the acoustic sound of a guitar and apply it to a pickup. Momma Bear, ToneDexter, Aura, and Baggs Voiceprint are hardware devices that do this. Cuki and JonFields here on AGF have written software that let you capture your own IRs as well. The electric players have been into this longer, and things like the Kemper amp and AxeFX and others let you reproduce the sound of virtually any electric amp using a captured IR. If you read the amplification section of AGF, for the past severals years, every few threads are about IRs, so you can dig into all the details by reading that section of the forum. My take on IRs applied to pickups is that they have progressed to where they're a game changer for live amplification, but are less likely to fool anyone for a recording. The sample I posted earlier (labeled "reverb test") is using an IR on my pickup.
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Impulse Response. A sonic measurment of a room (or any space), a speaker cabinet in relation to the sound source. There are a few IR loaders out there for free which allow you to load a chosen IR, and use it for live or recording purposes. I prefer to use a convolution plugin in my DAW for that purpose, as the free ir loaders I have used cut the length of the IR to fit, where-as the plugin does not. If you use Logic Pro X, you can load IR's into Space Designer . If using Reaper, I think REAverb is their convolution plugin.( if you decide to try it, be sure that you turn the wet signal to 100%, and dry to zero. It isn't limited to profiles of acoustic guitars and speaker cabinets, you can load some pretty sweet rooms IR's in there that you wouldn't have real world access too as well.
Hope that helped you to understand a bit better. Stuff had me confused when I first started learning about it, but they are not difficult to use at all once you learn a little about them. Very useful for electric guitar stuff when you can't plug a 100 water into a 4-12 without making the neighbors hate you. |
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[QUOTE=Doug Young-My take on IRs applied to pickups is that they have progressed to where they're a game changer for live amplification, but are less likely to fool anyone for a recording. The sample I posted earlier (labeled "reverb test") is using an IR on my pickup.[/QUOTE]
I haven't had the opportunity to try the Tone Dexter, or similar products. The few IR's that I have loaded into my AX8 just don't do it for me.Companies like Fractal and Kemper have really changed the game for electric guitar, but in the meantime acoustic has been neglected. I keep hoping that I will see an announcement on the Fractal home page one day for an acoustic guitar/mic modeler. Its coming Im sure, just a matter of when. Until then, I will continue to go Bix to PA, and use mics for recording as it suits my needs well. Cant wait for that product to come along though! Cheers! |
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Sounds like you need to check out ToneDexter. It changed the game for acoustic guitarists (for live use) several years ago now. There's actually been tons of work in this area, so I'd not say it's been neglected (maybe by AxeFX...). Rick Turner started years ago, Fishman has been investing in this for over a decade. Baggs just spent 4 years developing the Voiceprint. And then there's ToneDexter, which up'd the game from the previous efforts. Like AxeFX, not 100% of people are going to be satisfied, but at a minimum it "de-quacks" the pickup, making a pretty huge improvement for many people, at least those who are annoyed by the quacky sound of acoustic pickups.
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Yeah, I would love to try one out.I have concentrated on mostly electric for the past 30 years, but have always kept an acoustic around, as it was my first love. Over the past few years, I have spent a lot of time on acoustic, which led me to this forum. The only time that I used acoustic when playing in electric bands was in the studio in front of mics, so I had to do some catching up on pickups and amplification. Actually bought the Bix after a few players here recommended it. I did some research on the Tone Dexter during that time and it interests me. The only reason I haven't gone ahead with one is that I am very satisfied with the bix. But the gear harlot in me still wants a TD!
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