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Old 02-22-2021, 09:49 PM
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Question 12 String Guitar Standard E or D?

Hello all .... wellsir I just got a Rogue RA-090 Dreadnought 12-String Acoustic Guitar. My first 12 string.
I heard that most tune theirs to standard D to reduce the stress on the neck, then I heard that guitars made now can handle standard E tuning.
What would be the recommended tuning for this guitar?

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Old 02-22-2021, 09:58 PM
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Most modern 12-strings are built to handle the tension of being tuned to E standard. Many players tune to D or Eb to reduce tension... easier on the guitar, easier to play, some tune down so they don't have to strain their voices, I tune down because I like the sound.
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Old 02-22-2021, 10:14 PM
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Matter of taste which you like; matter of judgment whether the instrument can take the strain.

I do find my 12-string easier to play tuned down a little. This puzzles me as it is perfetly set up and is wearing light strings, while I generally don't mind a heavier feel - all my other guitars have medium-light or medium strings and I play bass and baritone. Oh, and I've played 12-strings for more than 40 years.

Anyway, I've recently taken to going half-way and tuning it to Eb. Nice soft feel under the left hand, but still plenty of zing.

Spirittoo, my advice to you is to try it in E, in Eb, and in D, and go with the one you prefer. Don't worry about being out as compared to other instruments, you can always use a capo.
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Old 02-22-2021, 11:34 PM
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Mine is a half step down and sounds great and plays easier. If you want pitch just put a capo on the first fret. On a 89 buck guitar I wouldn't even think of going to pitch. One half step down and maybe even a full step down.
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Old 02-22-2021, 11:47 PM
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12 String Guitar Standard E or D?

Based on your topic, standard tuning is still 'E' for guitars.

However, I tune mine to D# and capo 1 to play in standard with other people. If I'm playing solo, I usually don't capo. Best capo out there for my Taylor 12ers is the G7th Newport 12 string capo with the compensated string pad.

I go way back and used to always tune 12 stringers to 'D', a 60s staple habit I have since upped to D#. Never played or examined a Rogue, so I don't know what it can handle for tuning. But tuning down does take a bit of tension off and make it easier to play.

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Old 02-23-2021, 01:42 AM
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I tune mine to D. I don't think I have to, but I like the sound and feel of it like that, seems richer somehow. It's a maton 425.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:03 AM
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Default D# is a good middle ground...

I find this a good compromise between playability and being buzz free. With a good setup and light gauge strings (10-47), dropping a full tone elicits fret buzz when played firmly.

D# also seems to produce more bottom end without losing the treble sparkle. Down at D, light gauge strings lose quite a bit of tone.

Worth experimenting with all options to see what suits you and your instrument best.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:34 AM
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Told this story before. In the seventies even though I couldn't yet play properly, I bought an EKO Ranger 12string. (it seemed an "exotic" thing to do at the time) I knew nothing about light string gauges or detuning (or even how to tune properly, this was before electronic tuners in the old dreadful "pitch pipe" days).
One night in bed I was awakened by a loud bang followed by a sound like a chiming harp.
I've only had brief flirtations with 12 strings since then, but always favoured detuning and putting a capo on the second fret.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:34 AM
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My Taylor (and Larrivee when I had it) are tuned to E

The 12-string neck on my Emerald Chimaera is tuned to E.

The Rainsong is tuned to Eb, because it doesn't have a truss rod and I don't like the neck relief tuned to E.

The 1973 Guild is tuned to D, and at 48 years old could really use a neck reset.
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Old 02-23-2021, 03:01 AM
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I have Martin D12-20 customised and Harmony H1270. Both from the '60s.

Martin wears D'addario EJ37s and Harmony wears Martin M190s. Both 54/30- 12/12 tuned to D.

This gives me a different dynamic to my six strings.



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Old 02-23-2021, 04:28 AM
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My Yamaha CPX700 II-12 wore 12s, was tuned to E, and was a breeze to play. The neck didn't seek to mind a bit and it was a narrow neck for a 12 string.
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I have kept my 87' Guild JF65-12 tuned to standard pitch with light gauge (i.e., D'Addario EJ38) since it was new without issues. Except - for some reason the guitar itself feels a lot heavier than it did 34 years ago... N'yuk, N'yuk.

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Old 02-23-2021, 05:40 AM
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I tune to D, and have for the past 10 plus years. This was reinforced by the 70s Guild G212 I used to have, that suffered damage from previous owners tuning it to Standard (E) for decades - the neck pulling up, the bridge lifting, and the top bellying (I should have noticed these things when I bought the guitar at a guitar show, but the price was right, it sounded good, and I was in a hurry [haste makes waste], due to a long drive home ahead of me). Also, I like the darker sound down tuning produces. I use D'Addario EJ38s.
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Old 02-23-2021, 06:45 AM
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I keep mine tuned D to D even though the maker told me to go ahead and use standard Less stress is one reason + as it is a 14 fretter, a capo on the second fret still leaves it useful to me. Mostly, I prefer the lower sound. It fits 12 string well, more rumple, less jangle. And it gives me the opportunity to fit my voice better on some songs.
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Old 02-23-2021, 06:47 AM
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I tune my Takamine GJ72CE 12 string to standard tuning. I have to say it is arguably my easiest playing guitar.

To me it doesn't matter if tuned to E, Eb, or D, there is something about a 12 string and a capo.
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