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Panels behind the mic are important because they prevent delayed & off-axis sounds (where the frequency response of the mic is different) from reaching the mic. But yeah, you'll have to experiment to find the best location for other panels based on your particular set-up. |
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Just did some testing in both orientations, and surprisingly (to me at least) I found that facing out into the room with the bookshelf in front of me (with 2 60x60cm panels on it) sounded better than the way I have been recording. Small differences but slightly more space and air - maybe a bit more room in a good way.
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What is it about those areas that got brought down? I tried it on one of my recordings and also got a more pleasant tone.
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I watched a video explaining it, but essentially I raised the level and slowly scanned listening for sounds I didn’t like - then dropped them!
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Any chance you still have the link to the video? Thanks.
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It's also the case that off-axis sound is less likely to be smooth and sweet. So my experience and theory have led me to place attenuating panels behind the mics. The idea is that the sound starts at the guitar, passes the mics, passes through the panels, reflects and returns through the panels before hitting the mics again, giving double attenuation of the off-axis sound. Of course experimentation tells the story in your particular situation, but my tests in a small untreated room definitely indicated the behind the mic position was the most effective in reducing room effects. http://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2011/...adband-panels/ Fran
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IMO and somewhat contrary to what he says in the video (when you are starting out) I would recommend boosting the narrow sweep bands higher, up around 12 db . Yes (he is correct ) more things will sound funny. But the really bad ones will still stand out and be much more identifiable (until you get used hearing the problem freq's with a lesser boost) and just resist the temptation to cut everything that sounds funny. Start with the really boxy boomy ones in the low end and the ones that really chime in the upper freq's
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This makes sense to me - I have struggled to identify clear issues at +6db.
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Thanks Fran for the input. I spent a good few hours experimenting with this, and ultimately I thought that the recorded sound I got when the large panel was behind my playing position was more to my liking than when behind the mics with me playing into it. This of course may be that the more room sound is helping with the recording - or that I am misinterpreting what I am hearing as better when it is actually just different... All very confusing.
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Here is a screen shot of a typical guitar track subtractive EQ from one of my sessions Here is an example of subtractive on a stereo recording of a guitar but on two mono tracks (one Right one Left) using different mics. A Schoeps SDC Left and and A Brauner LDC Right Left Schoeps Right Brauner
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Thanks Kev - that’s very helpful. I played around with a +12db boost today and certainly found it easier to find the less pleasant sounds.
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FWIW, I virtually never end up using any EQ, other than some sharp low end rolloff - usually below 40Hz or so. If the guitar doesn't sound good, I move the mics, try a different guitar, different strings, different mics, file my nails - whatever. I have used this technique of sweeping a boost to find bad frequencies to cut, but more often when working on others recordings or maybe old recordings, where I don't have the option of redoing the track with different mic placement.
One thing I do use, tho, is dynamic EQ, which is basically an EQ triggered by a multiband compressor. it can solve issues like an occasionally boomy bass note, or a harsh overtone, without affecting the overall EQ of the guitar, except for the moment it's needed. For example, here's a snapshot of Ozone's Dynamic EQ with some reduction on a bass note and a higher frequency, in action: Screen Shot 2020-08-12 at 5.43.36 PM.jpg its sort of two different situations, depends on whether your guitar tone is problematic over all - in which I case, I prefer to address it a different way - or if you have a problem note here and there.
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I forgot to mention my main point - with these sorts of tools (Fabfilter's another example), the spectrum shows you where the problem notes are so you don't have to search as much for them - tho again, this is for things like boomy notes, not for affecting overall EQ.
BTW, Wrighty, I finally had a chance to listen to your track. Nice playing, and the recording sounds very good to me as well.
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