When is Common Time Not So Common?

[JonPR]

Originally Posted by mc1

rick and jon,

i found this thread interesting and learned some things. i would have preferred you dicussed it in more detail (no joke) and at more length (no joke). i have to process it a bit more to grasp what i think i almost understand. for some reason thinking about the differences and samenesses of 2/4 with triplets compared with 6/8 tickles my brain.

There is no difference at all in sound. Only in how it's written.
If triplets - or triplet feel - is consistent throughout the piece, or the majority of the time, then 6/8 would be chosen to keep it simpler to both write and read (avoiding all those brackets and "3"s).

Originally Posted by mc1

i will mention that with sibelius G7 there are quite a few options for playback with a swing (or lilt) feel.

Right. In my version you can select "triplet swing", which makes pairs of 8ths sound like 2+1 triplets, so a 2/4 bar of four 8th notes sounds like a bar of 6/8. (My version doesn't have a "lilt" option, however. )

[geordie]

Steve, all these figures being banded about here don't mean much to me so
here's some lift, swing, call it what you will - in reel time -

http://youtu.be/AgM1mwGxLf8

http://youtu.be/2tnWxsNshZQ

http://youtu.be/MH6qSHHnTm0

[rick-slo]

My point all along has been that in this tune you have the following timing throughout the refrain:

and I tried to express these note durations in number form as 123-1-123-1-123-1-123-1.

I thought I was being pretty clear as I made the point early on in reference to the score. This is what is in the score (by the composer of the music
, but what does he know?) and to my ears in the youtube video of The Irish Rovers. This rhythm fits into 4/4 or 2/2, not into 6/8. If your ears hear
(or you just prefer changing the rhythm to) two tied eighth notes in a group of three eighth notes (giving note lengths of 12-1-12-1-12-1-12-1) that
is fine with me. Then you could use 6/8 as well as 4/4 or 2/2

[Paikon]

listen to the instrumental part at 1:22..clearly 6/8
does it change rhythm when the singing starts? .. no

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

listen to the instrumental part at 1:22..clearly 6/8
does it change rhythm when the singing starts? .. no

Yeah, and in that part of the recording it could also be 4/4 or 2/2. In other parts of tune (almost every measure) 6/8 does not fit. See my prior post above for why.

[Paikon]

Originally Posted by rick-slo

Yeah, and in that part of the recording it could also be 4/4 or 2/2.

it could be if only was triplets which still sounds like 6/8

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

it could be if only was triplets which still sounds like 6/8

Repeat, see my post a couple back.

[Paikon]

Originally Posted by rick-slo

Repeat, see my post a couple back.

i did , its still 6/8

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

i did , its still 6/8

Then you would have to be saying the official score of this music is written incorrectly since there is no way
to make that into 6/8 without changing the timing of the notes. Or do you disagree with this too?

[Paikon]

once again what i hear on the video the OP posted is 6/8
it could be 4/4 the way it was originaly written but here is 6/8

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

once again what i hear on the video the OP posted is 6/8
it could be 4/4 the way it was originaly written but here is 6/8

It is pretty hard to distinguish the rhythm 123-1-123-1-123-1 from 12-1-12-1-12-1 in a fast tune (see prior in the thread) but the midi of the score (see prior in the thread) sounds just the youtube. In both cases 4/4 works, 6/8 only works in the latter case.
Most references call it 4/4. These guys call it a march http://usahpd.com/tunes.htm

[Paikon]

Originally Posted by rick-slo

It is pretty hard to distinguish the rhythm 123-1-123-1-123-1 from 12-1-12-1-12-1 in a fast tune http://usahpd.com/tunes.htm

so why are we arguing about?
is it 4/4 that sounds like 6/8 or it 6/8n that sounds like 4/4?

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

so why are we arguing about?
is it 4/4 that sounds like 6/8 or it 6/8n that sounds like 4/4?

Not if you have this timing throughout
Somewhat close, but no cigar.

[Paikon]

4/4 with a doted 8th and a 16th would sound like a lame donkey and i dont hear it here...anyway

[rick-slo]

Originally Posted by Paikon

4/4 with a doted 8th and a 16th would sound like a lame donkey and i dont hear it here...anyway

You have not listened to the examples posted earlier in the thread. For example listen here
http://www.onlinesheetmusic.com/chri...aspx?type=list