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Back in the mid 80's I was sitting still at an intersection and was rear ended by a van going nearly 40 miles an hour. I saw the accident coming in my rear view mirror. There was nowhere to go as I was blocked in on all sides. So I braced myself with all my strength. While there were no seen physical injuries to my body I immediately had very bad headaches. For over a month a half I kept going back to the doctors office and nothing was accomplished. I was not happy with the doctor as he could not solve my problem. The doctor exited the room temporarily and a very cute nurse rushed in and whispered in my ear. "DON'T tell the doctor I told you this, but go see a chiropractor." And so I did and the pain went away. It is Not a permanent fix. It is only temporary. Still it is the only way that gets me through my back pain. And to this day nearly 40 years later, I still go 2 to 3 times a month. Anyway, I certainly sympathize with the pain you are experiencing. I hope you find relieve and answers soon. This year for the first time in my life, I got gout twice. And talk about pain, I could not even take a step without yelling. I canceled my outdoor backpacking adventure a week an half ago because of it. And the week before I injured my middle finger...which I need to shoot traditional archery. And have not been able to shoot for three weeks now. Aw.....the pleasures of old age. Just from hearing you glorious descriptions, and from others stating the qualities of Beesneez, I have all but convinced myself to purchase a BU67. I have always loved the sound of a 67 on acoustic guitar. So full bodied and even. Not fast in transients...but hey that is what I have my Schoeps for. I do wish this to be a vocal mic as well. I..do have reservations on overloading the front in, as I can be a powerful with dynamics on my voice. However, I know the answer might be to just get back a bit further. And with all of the options this mic has to offer, the S2 mode for lower end, the 269 switch, and the infinite variable pattern....Well....as I mentioned earlier...at this point I find this mic completely irresistible. I will still wait to hear your demos before making my final decision. I leave in the middle of next week to go visit m brother and nephew in Kentucky. In the meantime I wish you a speedy recovery & once again thank you for all the time and effort you put into your tests. |
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I'm sorry to read about your back problems, Jim. That kind of problem makes everything so very hard. I hope you heal quickly. You take care!
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Yes back pain problems are very debilitating
I know full well having prototypical construction lower back issues with three slightly distended disc's So for me strengthening my abbs laying on my back and doing bicycle type pumps and mild Yoga stretches -- 3 to 4 days a week has helped a bunch.
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Oh man, take it easy & get well. Health is more important than geeking out about audio & guitars.
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As I said previously, these examples aren't great. It's just one mic and the mics could have been positioned better but my back was on fire and I just needed to get through this once and wrap it up. I'll do a better comparison another time.
FYI - This was with the dark cardioid capsule (which Carlos Serrano is now calling the "vintage cardioid" capsule). When I get around to it, I'll do some samples with the other two capsules and a better track with the M295. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n3afvaslu...OkQcxoIha?dl=0 Edit: I should have mentioned that the guitar I'm playing in the clips is my Circle Strings Parlor which has a western red cedar top and shedua b/s.
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My take...and I only listened on my little speakers...didn't pull them up on my big studio monitors yet: The Serrano definitely had that transformer "weight" to it. I found it very real feeling with just enough top to be articulate, but not in any way bright. The Gefell was a bit smaller feeling to me. I also perceived a little more noise/top end hash, which may be what I perceived as "smaller". Certainly not a bad sound, but the Serrano was my definite favorite by a good margin. Thanks for the samples.
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Listened again, this time on the 3-way Dynaudios...
The Serrano 84 is definitely warmer, but it's more than that. It's bigger, it has more heft to it. It has a weight that is really nice. The Gefell just doesn't have as much "oomf". Its a very nice mic & in no way a slouch...it just isn't as commanding. Still very usable. Man, I wish they made these with a pad...I'd buy a pair or 3 in a heartbeat. I may still grab a couple.
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The bass on the Serrano does seem to have more 'fullness', but then I also wonder if the Gefell low end roll off (EQ'd for close micing) is part of the difference. More time with optimizing placement might give different results. I'm curious, do you feel one of these mics captures the tone of this guitar more realistically? In any case, both really nice mics, and enough differences to fine tune the capture to get what you are aiming for. Thanks for sharing the recordings.
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I owned a pair of 295's for about three weeks, and currently own a pair of Schoeps(which have some of the traits of the KM84) Based on my past experiences= theoretically (theoretically cause I have not heard the Serrano in person), this is seemingly a valid recording representation. I also preferred the sound of the Serrano's in this test. It has that solid late 60's and 70's acoustic guitar sound that I grew up with and loved. The sound of very full & defined notes. However ChuckS does have some very valid points. The 295 has an unusual roll off. I wish I had more time to have played with them. It is very possible that the 295 has very critical placement needs. As where a KM84 is most likely less critical. And I too are most curious as to which mic you feel represented your guitar the most accurately? I am still visiting in Kentucky, listening through cheap monitor speakers, but from what I am hearing I am liking the Serrano's. However, I also do not hear the openness, that I might hear in a pair of Schoeps. And that is perfectly o.k. Each mic has its values. And I do like the...solid sound I am hearing from these Serrano's. Everything has its place and reason to use. Based on what I am hearing...there would be very real reasons for me to own a pair. It is good to have little differences. Sometimes that little difference between mics can make the defining difference for a particular tune. |
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FYI - the tune is for a song I wrote called "Tether the Moon" and I played it on my Circle Strings parlor guitar. Being a parlor, the sound is a bit more boxy than on a larger bodied guitar, so that might be something to keep in mind regarding those demo tracks. When I get around to it, I'll record the same song and try to set up a pair of each mic more optimally so we have a more fair and useful comparison. I'll do something similar with the vocals. I'll record them through the BU67, my Flea 47, and my Blue Kiwi. I'll probably also do a take with the Blue Kiwi running through my Demeter pre because I think that pre does something magical to fet mics.
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Jim, have you done anything more with the Serrano 84s? Thanks.
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Not yet. I've just been too busy with a thousand other things lately.
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Hey all,
Reviving this thread as I just did a shootout of all the Serrano 84 capsules, against a real KM84. Sorry for the playing, first time I touched the guitar today and wasn't focused on that. Guitar: 2021 Caleb Smith D-28 (Adi/BRW) Preamp: Inward Connections DMC-1 with Scott Liebers 2050 "Red Dot" op amps Mic placement: 12" off of 14the fret, except for Omni, which was closer to 8" Here is the player with the unnamed mics, curious what everyone thinks. Cheers! https://next.samply.app/p/DGbz3CIqap6MQsss9J3o Last edited by guitarua; 11-21-2023 at 12:21 PM. |
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Unfortunately I can not seem to get this to go into the play function. I press play arrow and nothing happens. Looking forward to hearing this test!
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